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> indoctrination is a given. Indoctrination is not a given and should never be acceptable in education. What is indoctrination? Here's one dictionary definiti
by jjav 3y ago
> indoctrination is a given.
Indoctrination is not a given and should never be acceptable in education.
What is indoctrination? Here's one dictionary definition:
indoctrination: the process of repeating an idea or belief to someone until they accept it without criticism or question
Note "accept it without criticism or question". This is the polar opposite of what education should be, which is to encourage investigation, researching topics with a scientific method instead of believing without question.
- ARandomerDude 3y ago> what education should be…with a scientific method Does the scientific method tell you this? It couldn’t have, because this is a philosophical belief not a scientific one. Very likely, you were indoctrinated to believe this. Not all “doctrine” (teaching) is wrong and not all indoctrination is wrong. But everyone undergoes some form of indoctrination.
- soperj 3y agoWould you believe the paper that said that teaching by encouraging research with the scientific method is better? Would be very ironic if it said that it wasn't.
- bluGill 3y agoEncouraging researching the scientific method is itself indoctrination, though it is done differently from other indoctrination. This isn't bad. I don't think it is worth you while to research cannibalism, or a number of other things that people have done/believed in over time. Even if you come to the "right conclusion" there is just too much too research to look into everything people have come up with. My life is worse because I - a non-doctor - had to research all the anti-vaccination claims to see if they really were baseless (they were, but I know from history experts are not always right and once in a while a conspiracy really does occur)
- c0pium 3y ago> Encouraging researching the scientific method is itself indoctrination Of course it’s not. Indoctrination is encouraging belief and adherence without question, the scientific method is to only accept after rigorously questioning. It’s trivially easy to apply that recursively. One who questions the scientific method is then by definition not indoctrinated and has not reached their belief via indoctrination.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Encouraging researching the scientific method is itself indoctrination If you're thinking critically about it (i.e. testing it, questioning its predictions and assumptions, et cetera), it's not indoctrination. If it is, then you've broadened the definition of indoctrination to be equivalent to thought, which is a useless overgeneralization. And to be clear, you can be religious and not be indoctrinated.
- c0pium 3y agoOnly after examining, and attempting to falsify, their hypothesis.
- Jensson 3y ago> Very likely, you were indoctrinated to believe this. No, you are shown how the ancient Greeks did things, and how they had a lot of ridiculous ideas. Then they introduced Galileo Galilei that showed how experiments can rat out many bad ideas and used them to disprove many of the things written by the ancient Greeks. That is how we know the scientific method is valuable, nobody has to indoctrinate you to it you can see it yourself. The reason the scientific method is so popular is because you don't have to get indoctrinated into it, it is so obvious that it is a great method.
- 9dev 3y agoI appreciate logical correctness, but it isn’t helpful in this case. It’s very clear how indoctrination is meant when we’re talking about parents denying evolution and claiming the earth is merely a few thousand years old.
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- gosub100 3y agothat definition applies perfectly to modern leftism
- piperswe 3y agoMy experience with modern leftists is that they will over-analyze political concepts and expend all their energy debating with other leftists. That doesn't sound "without criticism or question".
- graemep 3y agoYou can say the same of, for example, creationists, and people on the right, and lots of other groups. The problem in all cases is that the criticism and question is more apparent than real, and it does not extend to a whole lot of shared assumptions.
- NemoNobody 3y agoSocieties indoctrinate all those that live within them - that's what social norms are.
- c0pium 3y agoEww, no. Rational adults examine our social norms, ask why we have them, and challenge those that make no sense.
- Kamq 3y agoThen rational adults are the minority of adults. Questioning deeply rooted social norms will get you thrown out of most social groups. Well, questioning social norms held by that group will generally get you thrown out. Questioning deeply held social norms of a different group that the group you're in doesn't like will get you elevated in status, but you aren't actually questioning that group's social norms.