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I run my M1 Mac Mini with Asahi Linux? I'm not a big fan of any SoCs which have soldered-on RAM or storage, but I find it an odd point to argue that I'm suppor

I run my M1 Mac Mini with Asahi Linux? I'm not a big fan of any SoCs which have soldered-on RAM or storage, but I find it an odd point to argue that I'm supporting Apple's ecosystem overall when all I did was buy their hardware on sale. Their App Store is by far their biggest money-maker.

tjoff 3y ago
You are supporting the biggest threat to the open platforms we have. And you are actively not supporting the ones that keep it alive. How is that an odd argument? Voting with your wallet suddenly doesn't count because shiny?
- wmf 3y ago
  I would say it doesn't count because they're all "evil". Apple, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Microsoft... The only stuff that's close to being truly open like Freescale and Talos is completely obsolete and overpriced.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    Purism, System76, Framework etc. are not evil.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      If only the hardware on their laptops would be 100% functional.
      - fsflover 3y ago
        Works quite well for me.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        As in, "the hardware features that don't work are irrelevant to me", or "I enjoy tinkering"? https://frame.work/de/en/linux https://frame.work/de/en/linux
        tjoff 3y ago
        Are you making such a big deal out of the fingerprint reader?
        pjmlp 3y ago
        When I pay for something it better either everything works, or money refund. To get GNU/Linux going without proper hardware support I can do it myself, no need to pay extra.
        tjoff 3y ago
        I don't think you understand the value proposition. But you can at least try to be honest and not spread fud.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Having used GNU/Linux since kernel 1.0.9 and subscribed all Linux User Journal issues since the 5th issue until their insolvency, I am quite aware of I am talking about. What FUD, when the Framework themselves admit none of the provided Linux distributions support 100% of the hardware features they are selling? We already had white brands doing the same 20 years ago during the dot-com wave. Eventually tinkering becomes tiresome.
        fsflover 3y ago
        > when the Framework themselves admit none of the provided Linux distributions support 100% of the hardware features they are selling? Which means you get exactly what was advertised. Try the other two companies in my list.
    - martin8412 3y ago
      Purism are unethical scumbags.
      - fsflover 3y ago
        This is FUD. I flagged your post. Also: Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        martin8412 3y ago
        No it's not. They've changed their policies retroactively multiple times. When people originally ordered the Purism 5, they could get a refund at any time. Then they changed it multiple times, and now you can't get a refund at all.
        fsflover 3y ago
        https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-refund/16227/105 https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-refund/16227...
  - tjoff 3y ago
    Yeah, no, that is delusional. Sure, you can go the purist route if you want. But it is not either or, few things in life are.
  - fomine3 3y ago
    Intel and AMD aren't so bad for openness
chx 3y ago
> I'm not a big fan of any SoCs which have soldered-on RAM or storage, Funny way of putting "I am stupefied people pay actual, real world money for a laptop with soldered on storage".
- blackoil 3y ago
  Laptops may still make some sense, but a desktop!! You can easily get 2x value going with an assembled.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  Soldered CPU/memory makes sense for performance. Part of why Apple's M SoCs blow Intel/AMD away so hard is that the physical signal paths are incredibly short and don't have physical sockets in their way, so way better signal integrity and less worrying about EMI.
  - chx 3y ago
    > Soldered CPU/memory makes sense for performance. And I have talked about storage.
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      You wrote "soldered RAM", and besides, the argument is just as valid for storage given today's transfer bus speeds.
      - chx 3y ago
        that was my parent, I didn't.

tjoff 3y ago

You are supporting the biggest threat to the open platforms we have. And you are actively not supporting the ones that keep it alive. How is that an odd argument? Voting with your wallet suddenly doesn't count because shiny?

wmf 3y ago
I would say it doesn't count because they're all "evil". Apple, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Microsoft... The only stuff that's close to being truly open like Freescale and Talos is completely obsolete and overpriced.
- fsflover 3y ago
  Purism, System76, Framework etc. are not evil.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    If only the hardware on their laptops would be 100% functional.
    - fsflover 3y ago
      Works quite well for me.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        As in, "the hardware features that don't work are irrelevant to me", or "I enjoy tinkering"? https://frame.work/de/en/linux https://frame.work/de/en/linux
        tjoff 3y ago
        Are you making such a big deal out of the fingerprint reader?
        pjmlp 3y ago
        When I pay for something it better either everything works, or money refund. To get GNU/Linux going without proper hardware support I can do it myself, no need to pay extra.
        tjoff 3y ago
        I don't think you understand the value proposition. But you can at least try to be honest and not spread fud.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Having used GNU/Linux since kernel 1.0.9 and subscribed all Linux User Journal issues since the 5th issue until their insolvency, I am quite aware of I am talking about. What FUD, when the Framework themselves admit none of the provided Linux distributions support 100% of the hardware features they are selling? We already had white brands doing the same 20 years ago during the dot-com wave. Eventually tinkering becomes tiresome.
        fsflover 3y ago
        > when the Framework themselves admit none of the provided Linux distributions support 100% of the hardware features they are selling? Which means you get exactly what was advertised. Try the other two companies in my list.
  - martin8412 3y ago
    Purism are unethical scumbags.
    - fsflover 3y ago
      This is FUD. I flagged your post. Also: Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - martin8412 3y ago
        No it's not. They've changed their policies retroactively multiple times. When people originally ordered the Purism 5, they could get a refund at any time. Then they changed it multiple times, and now you can't get a refund at all.
        fsflover 3y ago
        https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-refund/16227/105 https://forums.puri.sm/t/estimate-your-librem-5-refund/16227...
- tjoff 3y ago
  Yeah, no, that is delusional. Sure, you can go the purist route if you want. But it is not either or, few things in life are.
- fomine3 3y ago
  Intel and AMD aren't so bad for openness

chx 3y ago

> I'm not a big fan of any SoCs which have soldered-on RAM or storage, Funny way of putting "I am stupefied people pay actual, real world money for a laptop with soldered on storage".

blackoil 3y ago
Laptops may still make some sense, but a desktop!! You can easily get 2x value going with an assembled.
mschuster91 3y ago
Soldered CPU/memory makes sense for performance. Part of why Apple's M SoCs blow Intel/AMD away so hard is that the physical signal paths are incredibly short and don't have physical sockets in their way, so way better signal integrity and less worrying about EMI.
- chx 3y ago
  > Soldered CPU/memory makes sense for performance. And I have talked about storage.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    You wrote "soldered RAM", and besides, the argument is just as valid for storage given today's transfer bus speeds.
    - chx 3y ago
      that was my parent, I didn't.