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Because the US legal system (and many others) are adversarial, people can still sue you on very flimsy grounds and you still have to respond or you lose by defa

Because the US legal system (and many others) are adversarial, people can still sue you on very flimsy grounds and you still have to respond or you lose by default. It may very well be that the troll doesn't have a solid case, but you don't hook any fish if you don't get your line in the water

shmerl 3y ago
Someone like MS should have more than enough resources to bust patent trolls in court instead of chickening out. Also, can't whole AOM pool resources to annihilate those trolls? They'll all benefit from it. So this doesn't make sense.
- snapplebobapple 3y ago
  Thay doesnt work on patent trolls becausr all they do is sue people. They have no products of their own to build their own patent liability risk so they arent kept in line. The solution to patent trolls is pretty simple yet impossible. Make having a patent contingent on having a product in the market that uses the patent with a short grace period of a few years. If you have no product for sale you can point to after the grace period you lose the patent. Also make patent holder at least 50% liable for any licensor product abuse. Then they will be stopped from patent trolling by their own exposure, as it should be if you are giing to have a patent system like this.
  - shmerl 3y ago
    Trolls don't like fighting in courts, because most of their patents are utter junk. They rely on protection racket intimidation when courts are avoided and they are paid for that. So while fighting them in court is costly since it requires research of prior art and doing all the necessary work to invalidate those junk patents, it's still often a proper tactic to destroy them.
    - my123 3y ago
      The Sisvel AV1 patent pool has more than a thousand patents...
      - shmerl 3y ago
        And AOM has deep pockets to bust them or show how it doesn't apply. It's an alliance for a reason - let them work together then. More than a thousand sounds like complete bs already.
        my123 3y ago
        The patent list: https://www.sisvel.com/xlin7ipl485u/7fUBcCW149MkF6Gbp7w7iY/06073c7cbbd6c74ab249cdb45fda87bc/PatentList_AV1_20230907.pdf https://www.sisvel.com/xlin7ipl485u/7fUBcCW149MkF6Gbp7w7iY/0... You can't counter sue Sisvel as Sisvel is just a patent pool, they don't make products.
        shmerl 3y ago
        You can bust their patents in court though if they try to sue. And their pool will start draining into the sewer. Patent trolls don't like that. Expecting more than thousand patents to apply to AV1 is totally bs.
  - anticensor 3y ago
    That is actually the case in most of Europe.

shmerl 3y ago

Someone like MS should have more than enough resources to bust patent trolls in court instead of chickening out. Also, can't whole AOM pool resources to annihilate those trolls? They'll all benefit from it. So this doesn't make sense.

snapplebobapple 3y ago
Thay doesnt work on patent trolls becausr all they do is sue people. They have no products of their own to build their own patent liability risk so they arent kept in line. The solution to patent trolls is pretty simple yet impossible. Make having a patent contingent on having a product in the market that uses the patent with a short grace period of a few years. If you have no product for sale you can point to after the grace period you lose the patent. Also make patent holder at least 50% liable for any licensor product abuse. Then they will be stopped from patent trolling by their own exposure, as it should be if you are giing to have a patent system like this.
- shmerl 3y ago
  Trolls don't like fighting in courts, because most of their patents are utter junk. They rely on protection racket intimidation when courts are avoided and they are paid for that. So while fighting them in court is costly since it requires research of prior art and doing all the necessary work to invalidate those junk patents, it's still often a proper tactic to destroy them.
  - my123 3y ago
    The Sisvel AV1 patent pool has more than a thousand patents...
    - shmerl 3y ago
      And AOM has deep pockets to bust them or show how it doesn't apply. It's an alliance for a reason - let them work together then. More than a thousand sounds like complete bs already.
      - my123 3y ago
        The patent list: https://www.sisvel.com/xlin7ipl485u/7fUBcCW149MkF6Gbp7w7iY/06073c7cbbd6c74ab249cdb45fda87bc/PatentList_AV1_20230907.pdf https://www.sisvel.com/xlin7ipl485u/7fUBcCW149MkF6Gbp7w7iY/0... You can't counter sue Sisvel as Sisvel is just a patent pool, they don't make products.
        shmerl 3y ago
        You can bust their patents in court though if they try to sue. And their pool will start draining into the sewer. Patent trolls don't like that. Expecting more than thousand patents to apply to AV1 is totally bs.
- anticensor 3y ago
  That is actually the case in most of Europe.