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What's their plan for addressing the threats that make people feel that they need deplatforming to protect themselves?

pc86 3y ago
Grow up? Kicking someone off Twitter or banning their Facebook profile doesn't make anyone safer. It's as much theater as putting your liquids in a plastic bag to go through airport security is. If someone is a threat there are ways to handle that. This includes threats originating online - there's actually no difference in how they're handled in my experience. If someone isn't a threat and they're just saying things you don't like, perhaps the correct course of action is to either ignore them, or learn to deal with reading things you don't like.
- harimau777 3y ago
  Propaganda has real world consequences. If it didn't, then people wouldn't spend so many resources creating it. How do you recommend handling things?
  - pc86 3y ago
    It depends on the consequence. Is it a crime? Punish it. Do you think it should be a crime? Pass a law making it illegal. Is it that somebody reads a mean tweet, and they feel bad? Respectfully, oh well. I go back to my earlier point - grow up. Not having to read things you dislike, not having to wrestle with hard moral questions, not having to interact with people who have different beliefs and moral compasses is only a right insofar as you remove yourself from those environments. You don't have an inalienable right to remove other people from places they want to be because they say things that are hard for you to deal with. Every time this subject comes up and someone seems even remotely on the side of "people should be able to say whatever they want, within the already-well-defined guardrails set up by society" the fascists come out of the woodwork screeching about how that inevitably means that Nazis are going to be killing trans people in the streets and how can we support Nazis?!? Literally in this thread your response to feeling good not being a human right (it's not) is about being murdered, which is irrelevant. It's exhausting, and I don't think your arguments in this thread are in good faith.
- OfficeChad 3y ago
  Yes it does.
  - pc86 3y ago
    Excellent counterpoint, thank you.
dmitrygr 3y ago
"Feel"? Free Speech is a human right, Feelgoods aren't. Case closed
- harimau777 3y ago
  Not being murdered by a bigot or having your rights taken away by regressive politicians are also human rights.
  - dmitrygr 3y ago
    Which is why we are discussing speech, not murder. I am not here to support a right to free murder, I am here to support right to free speech, and I simply do not care if the speech you hear makes you cry. Tough shit. Or makes me cry. Tough shit. That is life. If speech you do not want to hear is not protected, nothing is protected!

pc86 3y ago

Grow up? Kicking someone off Twitter or banning their Facebook profile doesn't make anyone safer. It's as much theater as putting your liquids in a plastic bag to go through airport security is. If someone is a threat there are ways to handle that. This includes threats originating online - there's actually no difference in how they're handled in my experience. If someone isn't a threat and they're just saying things you don't like, perhaps the correct course of action is to either ignore them, or learn to deal with reading things you don't like.

harimau777 3y ago
Propaganda has real world consequences. If it didn't, then people wouldn't spend so many resources creating it. How do you recommend handling things?
- pc86 3y ago
  It depends on the consequence. Is it a crime? Punish it. Do you think it should be a crime? Pass a law making it illegal. Is it that somebody reads a mean tweet, and they feel bad? Respectfully, oh well. I go back to my earlier point - grow up. Not having to read things you dislike, not having to wrestle with hard moral questions, not having to interact with people who have different beliefs and moral compasses is only a right insofar as you remove yourself from those environments. You don't have an inalienable right to remove other people from places they want to be because they say things that are hard for you to deal with. Every time this subject comes up and someone seems even remotely on the side of "people should be able to say whatever they want, within the already-well-defined guardrails set up by society" the fascists come out of the woodwork screeching about how that inevitably means that Nazis are going to be killing trans people in the streets and how can we support Nazis?!? Literally in this thread your response to feeling good not being a human right (it's not) is about being murdered, which is irrelevant. It's exhausting, and I don't think your arguments in this thread are in good faith.
OfficeChad 3y ago
Yes it does.
- pc86 3y ago
  Excellent counterpoint, thank you.

dmitrygr 3y ago

"Feel"? Free Speech is a human right, Feelgoods aren't. Case closed

harimau777 3y ago
Not being murdered by a bigot or having your rights taken away by regressive politicians are also human rights.
- dmitrygr 3y ago
  Which is why we are discussing speech, not murder. I am not here to support a right to free murder, I am here to support right to free speech, and I simply do not care if the speech you hear makes you cry. Tough shit. Or makes me cry. Tough shit. That is life. If speech you do not want to hear is not protected, nothing is protected!