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"The ability to ssh to another system, launch a GUI app, and have it display on the system you're SSHing from has always set Unix+X apart from Windows and Mac O
by sciurus 15y ago
"The ability to ssh to another system, launch a GUI app, and have it display on the system you're SSHing from has always set Unix+X apart from Windows and Mac OS."
I agree wholeheartedly.
"I can't believe this is being tossed aside so you can have cross-fades and rotating cubes when switching between sessions."
I think you're ignoring most of the motives for Wayland development.
"It's true that network transparency will be possible with Wayland, but it will be some sort of VNC-like pixel scraping approach, which has never worked as well as native X forwarding."
I disagree. For example, xpra (http://xpra.org/ http://xpra.org/) ships images across the wire and works much better for me than X11 forwarding over both local and remote links.
"Network transparency will be a second-class citizen in Wayland."
Just because it's not a part of the core protocol doesn't mean it won't be developed and work well. As the phoronix article says, it is under development right now.
"See [snip] for some more disturbing problems with Wayland."
That looks like trolling. A better link might be http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Wayland-Beyond-X-1432046.html?view=print http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Wayland-Beyond-X-14320...
- agwa 15y ago> I think you're ignoring most of the motives for Wayland development. I know there are other motives, but it's largely about getting more pretty rendering and the fact that X has a lot of baggage. Also, I'm still shocked that the only reason on their FAQ under "Is wayland replacing the X server?" is that VT switching is "horrible." > I disagree. For example, xpra (http://xpra.org/ http://xpra.org/) ships images across the wire and works much better for me than X11 forwarding over both local and remote links. xpra is faster for me over remote links, but native X is superior on local links, in speed, simplicity, and also robustness. X11 forwarding is super-simple and rock-solid; xpra is awkward to set up and is rather flaky. I fear that since network transparency is not a core, high-priority feature of Wayland, it will end up having a "second-class" feel like xpra does. Just because network transparency is under development right now doesn't mean it will be good. Their FAQ says it's not a high priority feature, and I've read several mailing list posts from developers that agree with that sentiment. > That looks like trolling. A better link might be http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Wayland-Beyond-X-14320.. http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Wayland-Beyond-X-14320.... My link may portray Wayland in a negative light, but only insofar as yours portrays it in a positive light.