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I trust the Firefox team knows what they're doing and came to the right conclusion re: performance. That said, I have a small nit. I would have liked to see ho

I trust the Firefox team knows what they're doing and came to the right conclusion re: performance. That said, I have a small nit. I would have liked to see how performance changed relative to the same time last year, to control for seasonal effects. Image 1 is showing changes on the scale of 1/100 of a second. I'm not an expert in the field, but when you'r looking at signal of that magnitude controlling for noise is more relevant. EDIT: I should add, I am a satisfied user of FF.

temp0826 3y ago
I think that's what arewefastyet is? https://arewefastyet.com/ https://arewefastyet.com/ Edit- also see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Areweyet https://wiki.mozilla.org/Areweyet
- Alifatisk 3y ago
  If I read the graphs correctly, FF performs worse than both Chrome and Safari on all measurements!?
  - crashmat 3y ago
    for me there seems to be a clear winner in every category but it is not always a particular browser. Seems they perform better in different areas. However chrome seems to be better in more areas.
alwa 3y ago
I’m curious what seasonal effects you hypothesize might be in play here. I don’t know enough about the browser performance space to understand what might change: do people really consume a different mix of web technologies through their browsers seasonally? It looks to my naive eyes like the trajectories here are consistent and that the “signal” looks bigger than the variance. The measurements seen consistent with a bunch of smart engineers working to optimize for them during the time period they were measured. At the same time you’re right: that big August improvement might well have something to do with Northern-hemisphere people switching to lighter vacation reading rather than just the Firefox 116 release happening to drop August 1. I’d share your interest in the longer timescale.
- Osmose 3y ago
  To the first question: Yes. An example would be travel sites and shopping sites getting way more use during holidays. A big one is always December: end of the year holidays mess with usage metrics a ton given how many people take off work or spend time away from their computers, to the point that most companies I've worked at tend to ignore data from that month or try to be very careful about only comparing it to data from December in other years.

temp0826 3y ago

I think that's what arewefastyet is? https://arewefastyet.com/ https://arewefastyet.com/ Edit- also see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Areweyet https://wiki.mozilla.org/Areweyet

Alifatisk 3y ago
If I read the graphs correctly, FF performs worse than both Chrome and Safari on all measurements!?
- crashmat 3y ago
  for me there seems to be a clear winner in every category but it is not always a particular browser. Seems they perform better in different areas. However chrome seems to be better in more areas.

alwa 3y ago

I’m curious what seasonal effects you hypothesize might be in play here. I don’t know enough about the browser performance space to understand what might change: do people really consume a different mix of web technologies through their browsers seasonally? It looks to my naive eyes like the trajectories here are consistent and that the “signal” looks bigger than the variance. The measurements seen consistent with a bunch of smart engineers working to optimize for them during the time period they were measured. At the same time you’re right: that big August improvement might well have something to do with Northern-hemisphere people switching to lighter vacation reading rather than just the Firefox 116 release happening to drop August 1. I’d share your interest in the longer timescale.

Osmose 3y ago
To the first question: Yes. An example would be travel sites and shopping sites getting way more use during holidays. A big one is always December: end of the year holidays mess with usage metrics a ton given how many people take off work or spend time away from their computers, to the point that most companies I've worked at tend to ignore data from that month or try to be very careful about only comparing it to data from December in other years.