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> But that assumes that both groups started out equal in the first place. Women get more degrees. Women live longer. Women work less, yet collection social s

by tjic 15y ago

> But that assumes that both groups started out equal in the first place. Women get more degrees. Women live longer. Women work less, yet collection social security longer. Women get equal pay for the same experience in the same job. If Etsy is doing this just as a purely cynical marketing stunt, playing to their female demographic, I could have some respect for them, in the same way that I respect a sleazy salesman, or an alligator. ...but if they think that they're "solving" a "problem" by discriminating against young men, then they're just fools.

drhayes9 15y ago
> Women get equal pay for the same experience in the same job. That goes against a whole lot of sociological research, including CEO pay in the private sector and professors at the academia level. Where are you getting that idea? One third of all women are killed by an intimate partner. Women ages 20-24 are disproportionately the victim of non-fatal domestic violence. Women live longer? Well, okay: that doesn't have to do with pay scale or work inequality, though, right? They don't live longer because someone is deciding to let them live longer, but they do get less money because some institution is deciding they should get less money. Ultimately, how do any of these facts relate to professional equality?
- tjic 15y ago
  > > Women get equal pay for the same experience in the same job. > That goes against a whole lot of sociological research No it doesn't. Here's a report that the Department of Labor commissioned http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20... TL;DR: women and men with the same experience and the same job get the same salary. Women, though (a) opt out of the labor force to have and raise kids, and (b) opt out of high paying jobs that are dangerous or require insane time commitments. Feel free to respond with any actual statistics you may have. > One third of all women are killed by an intimate partner. One third. ONE THIRD??!? Let's see what the CDC has to say: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm 1,219,784 women died in the US in 2009. 3,673 died of homicide. That means that 0.28% of women were killed by ANYONE. ...yet you claim that 33% of women are killed by their intimate partners.
  - drhayes9 15y ago
    The violence statistic was a mistype: one third of women murdered are murdered by an intimate partner. Check this out: http://jec.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9118a9ef-0771-4777-9c1f-8232fe70a45c http://jec.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9118... It refers to your study, but clarifies some stuff. All other things being equal (skills, experience, etc), resumes with female names were responded to less than resumes with male names. Women who have children are paid less than men who have children in the same occupation even if they are at the same level. In nearly every study of gender inequality in pay, there is an unexplained discrepancy that favors men.
  - GiraffeNecktie 15y ago
    Note that the Consad study you cite was from the recent Bush administration which was notorious for abusing science for political ends. Here's rebuttal of some of their findings http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2010/11/26/how-the-consad-report-on-the-wage-gap-masks-sexism-instead-of-measuring-it/ http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2010/11/26/how-the-consad-repor...

by tjic 15y ago

drhayes9 15y ago

> Women get equal pay for the same experience in the same job. That goes against a whole lot of sociological research, including CEO pay in the private sector and professors at the academia level. Where are you getting that idea? One third of all women are killed by an intimate partner. Women ages 20-24 are disproportionately the victim of non-fatal domestic violence. Women live longer? Well, okay: that doesn't have to do with pay scale or work inequality, though, right? They don't live longer because someone is deciding to let them live longer, but they do get less money because some institution is deciding they should get less money. Ultimately, how do any of these facts relate to professional equality?

tjic 15y ago
> > Women get equal pay for the same experience in the same job. > That goes against a whole lot of sociological research No it doesn't. Here's a report that the Department of Labor commissioned http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20... TL;DR: women and men with the same experience and the same job get the same salary. Women, though (a) opt out of the labor force to have and raise kids, and (b) opt out of high paying jobs that are dangerous or require insane time commitments. Feel free to respond with any actual statistics you may have. > One third of all women are killed by an intimate partner. One third. ONE THIRD??!? Let's see what the CDC has to say: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm 1,219,784 women died in the US in 2009. 3,673 died of homicide. That means that 0.28% of women were killed by ANYONE. ...yet you claim that 33% of women are killed by their intimate partners.
- drhayes9 15y ago
  The violence statistic was a mistype: one third of women murdered are murdered by an intimate partner. Check this out: http://jec.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9118a9ef-0771-4777-9c1f-8232fe70a45c http://jec.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9118... It refers to your study, but clarifies some stuff. All other things being equal (skills, experience, etc), resumes with female names were responded to less than resumes with male names. Women who have children are paid less than men who have children in the same occupation even if they are at the same level. In nearly every study of gender inequality in pay, there is an unexplained discrepancy that favors men.
- GiraffeNecktie 15y ago
  Note that the Consad study you cite was from the recent Bush administration which was notorious for abusing science for political ends. Here's rebuttal of some of their findings http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2010/11/26/how-the-consad-report-on-the-wage-gap-masks-sexism-instead-of-measuring-it/ http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2010/11/26/how-the-consad-repor...