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Facebook is a "heinous violation of your freedom and imposition on your private space". Would you care to elaborate? Which of your freedom(s) is being violate

by joedev 15y ago

Facebook is a "heinous violation of your freedom and imposition on your private space". Would you care to elaborate? Which of your freedom(s) is being violated? What of your private space is being imposed upon?

noduerme 15y ago
I'm not on FB, so it's not. But if I were... I'd say the first thing to be violated would be my freedom to be left alone. To not know what other people were doing, or have them know what I'm doing. To be able to quietly tune the world out and focus on things. Then, of course, my right to own images of myself, to keep my location private, to register genuine surprise, in person, when I find out one of my friends is engaged or pregnant or won the lottery. Most of all, the freedom to enjoy these freedoms without having to waste my time navigating a shit-ton of privacy settings and menus and ever-changing user agreements. In short, the freedom to be a private adult and not spend the rest of my life in a high school locker room.
- pavanky 15y ago
  > I'm not on FB, so it's not. But if I were... I'd say the first thing to be violated would be my freedom to be left alone Thats not a freedom, that is a choice. You can have a facebook account and never log in to it. There may be other privacy concerns, but "freedom to be left alone" is not one of them.
  - noduerme 15y ago
    When I'm on FB, and Joe X sends me a friend request, it goes in my email. Since I'm on FB, the implicit assumption is that I got the request. If I think Joe is nice enough, but not really my friend, I'm suddenly forced to (a) accept a friend who's not my friend, and imply I like him more than I do, (b) reject the request and make him think I don't like him, or (c) lie and say I don't get facebook emails. In reality, I would have far more options; there's a long gradient of subtle ways to let him know to what extent he's my friend or not. Most of all, I would have the option to defer making any kind of statement, assuming he's not a nutcase who asked me "so are we really friends?" And that deferral -- plausible deniability -- is the first thing FB takes away. That's what I call the freedom to be left alone.
    - rimantas 15y ago
      I am on Facebook and I don't get Facebook emails. You make a lot of assumptions about the platform you are not using.
      - noduerme 15y ago
        weirdly, I get weekly updates from them even though I'm not on it, because someone signed me onto a corporate account. I get the constant linkedin "you might know Joe" emails too, so I though that was a reasonable assumption. BTW @ the guy who called me a sociopath: Not all relationships are black and white. There's such a thing as being polite to someone at parties and still not wanting to know every detail of their life.
      - tangus 15y ago
        That's strange. I created a fake account some years ago, to contact some old friends whose email I had lost. I used the account for almost one week. To this day I still get a facebook email every 4-5 days. If nobody invites me to a group (!?) or posts new photos in their gallery, then it's facebook itself who wants to remind me that it's been a long time since the last time I logged in, and my friends are waiting to hear from me!
    - 3143 15y ago
      If the freedom you are most concerned about losing is the freedom to lead other people into believing they are your friends when you really don't care about them, you might be a sociopath.
      - Baba_Chaghaloo 15y ago
        Maybe he wants to be nice? Facebook fails at nice, that's mostly why I quit. Seems the guy who made it is probably a bit of a sociopath, your only two options are "Friend!" or "Fuck off!" and I think that contributes a lot to the general loathing of the site.
        sublimit 15y ago
- juiceandjuice 15y ago
  That's nice. What's Buenos Aires like, Josh Strike?
  - noduerme 15y ago
    hehehe, there ya go. Nice that you found me. Of course I have a public web presence. The point is, I control it. I run a few sites including a bitcoin casino. I have clients, friends, and people who use my code. I probably write 15-20 emails a day. Yet none of it through facebook. It's not mediated. There's no extraneous information, either for me or the other party. And what you know about me by googling me is, for the most part, what I want you to know. Including my last name and where I live. "Strike" is a pseudonym, and I haven't lived in Buenos Aires for about five years. But that level of privacy isn't available on facebook.
- dbecker 15y ago
  Signing up for facebook and telling people what you are doing prevents you from keeping this info private. But writing letters does the same thing, and I don't see people complaining about pen and paper. It's a shame that FB privacy settings are confusing (and ever changing), but aside from that, why blame the communication medium for what you choose to say (or not say) with it.

by joedev 15y ago

noduerme 15y ago

I'm not on FB, so it's not. But if I were... I'd say the first thing to be violated would be my freedom to be left alone. To not know what other people were doing, or have them know what I'm doing. To be able to quietly tune the world out and focus on things. Then, of course, my right to own images of myself, to keep my location private, to register genuine surprise, in person, when I find out one of my friends is engaged or pregnant or won the lottery. Most of all, the freedom to enjoy these freedoms without having to waste my time navigating a shit-ton of privacy settings and menus and ever-changing user agreements. In short, the freedom to be a private adult and not spend the rest of my life in a high school locker room.

pavanky 15y ago
> I'm not on FB, so it's not. But if I were... I'd say the first thing to be violated would be my freedom to be left alone Thats not a freedom, that is a choice. You can have a facebook account and never log in to it. There may be other privacy concerns, but "freedom to be left alone" is not one of them.
- noduerme 15y ago
  When I'm on FB, and Joe X sends me a friend request, it goes in my email. Since I'm on FB, the implicit assumption is that I got the request. If I think Joe is nice enough, but not really my friend, I'm suddenly forced to (a) accept a friend who's not my friend, and imply I like him more than I do, (b) reject the request and make him think I don't like him, or (c) lie and say I don't get facebook emails. In reality, I would have far more options; there's a long gradient of subtle ways to let him know to what extent he's my friend or not. Most of all, I would have the option to defer making any kind of statement, assuming he's not a nutcase who asked me "so are we really friends?" And that deferral -- plausible deniability -- is the first thing FB takes away. That's what I call the freedom to be left alone.
  - rimantas 15y ago
    I am on Facebook and I don't get Facebook emails. You make a lot of assumptions about the platform you are not using.
    - noduerme 15y ago
      weirdly, I get weekly updates from them even though I'm not on it, because someone signed me onto a corporate account. I get the constant linkedin "you might know Joe" emails too, so I though that was a reasonable assumption. BTW @ the guy who called me a sociopath: Not all relationships are black and white. There's such a thing as being polite to someone at parties and still not wanting to know every detail of their life.
    - tangus 15y ago
      That's strange. I created a fake account some years ago, to contact some old friends whose email I had lost. I used the account for almost one week. To this day I still get a facebook email every 4-5 days. If nobody invites me to a group (!?) or posts new photos in their gallery, then it's facebook itself who wants to remind me that it's been a long time since the last time I logged in, and my friends are waiting to hear from me!
  - 3143 15y ago
    If the freedom you are most concerned about losing is the freedom to lead other people into believing they are your friends when you really don't care about them, you might be a sociopath.
    - Baba_Chaghaloo 15y ago
      Maybe he wants to be nice? Facebook fails at nice, that's mostly why I quit. Seems the guy who made it is probably a bit of a sociopath, your only two options are "Friend!" or "Fuck off!" and I think that contributes a lot to the general loathing of the site.
      - sublimit 15y ago
juiceandjuice 15y ago
That's nice. What's Buenos Aires like, Josh Strike?
- noduerme 15y ago
  hehehe, there ya go. Nice that you found me. Of course I have a public web presence. The point is, I control it. I run a few sites including a bitcoin casino. I have clients, friends, and people who use my code. I probably write 15-20 emails a day. Yet none of it through facebook. It's not mediated. There's no extraneous information, either for me or the other party. And what you know about me by googling me is, for the most part, what I want you to know. Including my last name and where I live. "Strike" is a pseudonym, and I haven't lived in Buenos Aires for about five years. But that level of privacy isn't available on facebook.
dbecker 15y ago
Signing up for facebook and telling people what you are doing prevents you from keeping this info private. But writing letters does the same thing, and I don't see people complaining about pen and paper. It's a shame that FB privacy settings are confusing (and ever changing), but aside from that, why blame the communication medium for what you choose to say (or not say) with it.