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Do you think the majority of the people who say defund the police believe that? Just because a minority of people have a terrible opinion doesn't mean the enti

Do you think the majority of the people who say defund the police believe that? Just because a minority of people have a terrible opinion doesn't mean the entire movement does. Also even the author doesn't believe they can actually abolish the police. > I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities.

noch 3y ago
> Do you think the majority of the people who say defund the police believe that? You made the following claim: >> This isn't what defund the police was about at all and is just a strawman to stop inquisitions into the actual point of the defund the police movement. I was merely providing an example, published in a paper of record in the U.S., that claims to speak for a "we", to show that indeed the spokespeople for the movement are unambiguous in what "defund" means. The article says "we mean" not "I mean". > Just because a minority of people have a terrible opinion doesn't mean the entire movement does. Certainly, intransigent minorities tend to drive movements and protests. https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict... Meanwhile the "larpers" attend protests and change profile pictures and "stand with" and chant slogans. That's the luxury belief part. WW2 Germany was probably similar in the sense that the majority were silent while the radicals were outspoken? Nonetheless, be careful when you defend a radical movement by asserting that, well actually, they meant a more moderate position: "[T]he motte-and-bailey doctrine is when you make a bold, controversial statement. Then when somebody challenges you, you retreat to an obvious, uncontroversial statement, and say that was what you meant all along, so you’re clearly right and they’re silly for challenging you. Then when the argument is over you go back to making the bold, controversial statement." https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-brick-in-the-motte/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-bri...
- thisgoesnowhere 3y ago
  This isn't worth responding too, have a nice life

noch 3y ago

> Do you think the majority of the people who say defund the police believe that? You made the following claim: >> This isn't what defund the police was about at all and is just a strawman to stop inquisitions into the actual point of the defund the police movement. I was merely providing an example, published in a paper of record in the U.S., that claims to speak for a "we", to show that indeed the spokespeople for the movement are unambiguous in what "defund" means. The article says "we mean" not "I mean". > Just because a minority of people have a terrible opinion doesn't mean the entire movement does. Certainly, intransigent minorities tend to drive movements and protests. https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict... Meanwhile the "larpers" attend protests and change profile pictures and "stand with" and chant slogans. That's the luxury belief part. WW2 Germany was probably similar in the sense that the majority were silent while the radicals were outspoken? Nonetheless, be careful when you defend a radical movement by asserting that, well actually, they meant a more moderate position: "[T]he motte-and-bailey doctrine is when you make a bold, controversial statement. Then when somebody challenges you, you retreat to an obvious, uncontroversial statement, and say that was what you meant all along, so you’re clearly right and they’re silly for challenging you. Then when the argument is over you go back to making the bold, controversial statement." https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-brick-in-the-motte/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-bri...

thisgoesnowhere 3y ago
This isn't worth responding too, have a nice life