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> China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. A muslim is not an islamist [1], yo

> China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. A muslim is not an islamist [1], your simplification is concerning, China officially recognize Islam [2], and Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy Stick to the facts please [1] - https://humanists.international/blog/the-difference-between-muslims-islamists-and-jihadists-explained-by-an-ex-islamist/ https://humanists.international/blog/the-difference-between-... [2] - https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/china/#:~:text=citizen's%20religious%20freedom.-,The%20government%20recognizes%20five%20official%20religions%3A%20Buddhism%2C%20Taoism%2C%20Islam,to%20register%20with%20the%20government https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-r....

infamia 3y ago
> Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy It is far worse than the one child policy. Many were subjected to sterilization and involuntary birth control. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
  It's not a fact, and it's not supported by any evidence, you (and the journalists) are confusing security crackdown (due to terrorism) with genocide Your narrative is full of contradiction https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-saudi-arabia-20160201-story.html https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-saudi-arabia-... https://apnews.com/article/syria-ap-top-news-riots-international-news-china-79d6a427b26f4eeab226571956dd256e https://apnews.com/article/syria-ap-top-news-riots-internati... Now that the security crackdown has eased, journalists have changed their tone, or perhaps strategy ;) https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9 https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-ch...
  - infamia 3y ago
    > It's not a fact, and it's not supported by any evidence, you (and the journalists) are confusing security crackdown (due to terrorism) with genocide. None of your links refute anything to do with sterilization and forced contraception, despite the numerous reports, research, and overwhelming conclusion of their validity. Your links do describe bulldozing mosques, putting Uyghars in campus, and moving in ethic Chinese Hans. Stalin did a similar thing (forcibly relocating Tartars and replacing them with Russians) when trying to eliminate the Crimean Tartars. > Now that the security crackdown has eased, journalists have changed their tone, or perhaps strategy ;) Those links paint a picture of a brutal (and vile) crackdown. "Joking" about a supposed cross continental conspiracy between various researchers and new agencies is pretty dark. I don't think we have anything more to discuss.
    - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
      > I don't think we have anything more to discuss. Terrorism is bad and should be fought no matter what, we seen what happens when you are not pro-active (Hamas and its deadly attack in Israel) I wish MI6 cared as much about the Palestinians as they do about the Uyghurs ;)
hnbad 3y ago
I didn't say all Muslims are Islamists. I said Islamists (i.e. political Islam) pose a threat to Chinese unity and the unquestioned authority of the state, which the CCP tries to project at all costs. Consider the political influence of Evangelical Christians in the US if you feel more comfortable talking about it that way. The difference is that (local) Evangelicals are a much weaker influence internationally than Islamists. The closest Christian equivalent I can think of are the Moonies in Japan but that's a regional cult generally considered separate from mainstream Christian sects. I'm not saying anything negative about Islam here. If there were a similar international network of political Christians, China would likely be very concerned about Christian minorities as well, but as it is, Islamists pose the most direct risk of promoting separatist sentiments and this makes Muslims suspect, whether their religion is officially tolerated or not. Heck, Tibet is another obvious example with separatist sentiments being directly tied to the religious/spiritual structure of the region and its opposition to the absolute claims to power of the central government. It's just a consequence of trying to project a monolithic structure for a territory this vast with this many ethnic groups and cultures within. Probably the weirdest and most impractical manifestation of this is in the single Chinese timezone.

infamia 3y ago

> Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy It is far worse than the one child policy. Many were subjected to sterilization and involuntary birth control. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713

WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
It's not a fact, and it's not supported by any evidence, you (and the journalists) are confusing security crackdown (due to terrorism) with genocide Your narrative is full of contradiction https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-saudi-arabia-20160201-story.html https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-saudi-arabia-... https://apnews.com/article/syria-ap-top-news-riots-international-news-china-79d6a427b26f4eeab226571956dd256e https://apnews.com/article/syria-ap-top-news-riots-internati... Now that the security crackdown has eased, journalists have changed their tone, or perhaps strategy ;) https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9 https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-ch...
- infamia 3y ago
  > It's not a fact, and it's not supported by any evidence, you (and the journalists) are confusing security crackdown (due to terrorism) with genocide. None of your links refute anything to do with sterilization and forced contraception, despite the numerous reports, research, and overwhelming conclusion of their validity. Your links do describe bulldozing mosques, putting Uyghars in campus, and moving in ethic Chinese Hans. Stalin did a similar thing (forcibly relocating Tartars and replacing them with Russians) when trying to eliminate the Crimean Tartars. > Now that the security crackdown has eased, journalists have changed their tone, or perhaps strategy ;) Those links paint a picture of a brutal (and vile) crackdown. "Joking" about a supposed cross continental conspiracy between various researchers and new agencies is pretty dark. I don't think we have anything more to discuss.
  - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
    > I don't think we have anything more to discuss. Terrorism is bad and should be fought no matter what, we seen what happens when you are not pro-active (Hamas and its deadly attack in Israel) I wish MI6 cared as much about the Palestinians as they do about the Uyghurs ;)

hnbad 3y ago

I didn't say all Muslims are Islamists. I said Islamists (i.e. political Islam) pose a threat to Chinese unity and the unquestioned authority of the state, which the CCP tries to project at all costs. Consider the political influence of Evangelical Christians in the US if you feel more comfortable talking about it that way. The difference is that (local) Evangelicals are a much weaker influence internationally than Islamists. The closest Christian equivalent I can think of are the Moonies in Japan but that's a regional cult generally considered separate from mainstream Christian sects. I'm not saying anything negative about Islam here. If there were a similar international network of political Christians, China would likely be very concerned about Christian minorities as well, but as it is, Islamists pose the most direct risk of promoting separatist sentiments and this makes Muslims suspect, whether their religion is officially tolerated or not. Heck, Tibet is another obvious example with separatist sentiments being directly tied to the religious/spiritual structure of the region and its opposition to the absolute claims to power of the central government. It's just a consequence of trying to project a monolithic structure for a territory this vast with this many ethnic groups and cultures within. Probably the weirdest and most impractical manifestation of this is in the single Chinese timezone.