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What could we do to prevent FF from going out of business? We don't have any control over the situation. What Mozilla could do but won't is take a strong

What could we do to prevent FF from going out of business? *We* don't have any control over the situation. What Mozilla *could* do but won't is take a strong stand on privacy by default --- something more than lip service. But their sugar daddy wouldn't approve so they can't. In any case, it's probably too late now --- credibility and integrity have been lost. Brave is what Firefox could and should have become. Brendan Eich (boo, hiss) grabbed the opportunity that Mozilla intentionally chose to ignore.

hotnfresh 3y ago
> In any case, it's probably too late now --- credibility and integrity have been lost. That, and user base. Their position now is way worse than it used to be, and the viable options open to them are closing off. Firefox should have pushed more privacy and user-convenience features by default. Those were a big part of what got them adoption to begin with. Pushing open-protocol social networking built into the browser would have been a good idea, most likely. Amazing differentiator, in line with the browser's perceived values. Half a dozen other good ideas that might give their browser an edge and deliver things people actually want. But they needed to start this stuff more than a decade ago.
timeon 3y ago
Why Brave? Why not something like Vivaldi or anything else? At least there is no crypto/ad model there. Firefox lives of Google money while Brave is based on Google technology. Seems to me like FF is still better option here.
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  Why Brave? Privacy, speed, stability, compatibility, availability. At least there is no crypto/ad model there. I'm not a crypto fan so I don't use it. It is easily ignored and has no effect unless you choose to enable it. Seems to me like FF is still better option here. Seems to me FF is beholden to and needs to appease Google. This is why they talk privacy but don't offer it by default. Brave doesn't suffer from these "political" contradictions and complications that run counter to user interests.
lproven 3y ago
"Stop using Brave." https://www.spacebar.news/p/stop-using-brave-browser https://www.spacebar.news/p/stop-using-brave-browser He's right.
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  No thanks. As I see it, the choice is between my privacy and your politics. No offense but my privacy is the bigger concern to me. Brave is one of the most privacy focused browsers available on every every major platform. Privacy by default --- no fiddling with add-ons or updates or configurations, just install and go.
zogrodea 3y ago
Why “boo, hiss” next to Eich’s name? He’s had massive influence on the web as the creator of JS (which I’m not actually fond of for its dynamic typing), and as the once-head of Mozilla.
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  Because a fair number of people here don't seem to like his politics and they tend to judge Brave based on this. See below.
  - zogrodea 3y ago
    That's fair. I believe in selective usage for some things too, but the thought came to me that what happened with Eich getting ousted is probably a very early instance of what people call "cancel culture" these days.
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    People tend to judge Brave on the ad replacement idea. And collecting donations for publishers without knowledge or consent. And inserting affiliate codes. And all the cryptocurrency things. And promoting FTX. See below.
pseudalopex 3y ago
> Brave is what Firefox could and should have become. A little known Chromium fork? Brave has some privacy advantages by default. Firefox has some privacy advantages with configuration. Both are useful. Vivaldi seems to have been more successful as a power user's browser than Brave has had with 1 eye on cryptocurrency and 1 eye on privacy.

What could we do to prevent FF from going out of business? *We* don't have any control over the situation. What Mozilla *could* do but won't is take a strong

hotnfresh 3y ago

> In any case, it's probably too late now --- credibility and integrity have been lost. That, and user base. Their position now is way worse than it used to be, and the viable options open to them are closing off. Firefox should have pushed more privacy and user-convenience features by default. Those were a big part of what got them adoption to begin with. Pushing open-protocol social networking built into the browser would have been a good idea, most likely. Amazing differentiator, in line with the browser's perceived values. Half a dozen other good ideas that might give their browser an edge and deliver things people actually want. But they needed to start this stuff more than a decade ago.

timeon 3y ago

Why Brave? Why not something like Vivaldi or anything else? At least there is no crypto/ad model there. Firefox lives of Google money while Brave is based on Google technology. Seems to me like FF is still better option here.

jqpabc123 3y ago
Why Brave? Privacy, speed, stability, compatibility, availability. At least there is no crypto/ad model there. I'm not a crypto fan so I don't use it. It is easily ignored and has no effect unless you choose to enable it. Seems to me like FF is still better option here. Seems to me FF is beholden to and needs to appease Google. This is why they talk privacy but don't offer it by default. Brave doesn't suffer from these "political" contradictions and complications that run counter to user interests.

lproven 3y ago

"Stop using Brave." https://www.spacebar.news/p/stop-using-brave-browser https://www.spacebar.news/p/stop-using-brave-browser He's right.

jqpabc123 3y ago
No thanks. As I see it, the choice is between my privacy and your politics. No offense but my privacy is the bigger concern to me. Brave is one of the most privacy focused browsers available on every every major platform. Privacy by default --- no fiddling with add-ons or updates or configurations, just install and go.

zogrodea 3y ago

Why “boo, hiss” next to Eich’s name? He’s had massive influence on the web as the creator of JS (which I’m not actually fond of for its dynamic typing), and as the once-head of Mozilla.

jqpabc123 3y ago
Because a fair number of people here don't seem to like his politics and they tend to judge Brave based on this. See below.
- zogrodea 3y ago
  That's fair. I believe in selective usage for some things too, but the thought came to me that what happened with Eich getting ousted is probably a very early instance of what people call "cancel culture" these days.
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  People tend to judge Brave on the ad replacement idea. And collecting donations for publishers without knowledge or consent. And inserting affiliate codes. And all the cryptocurrency things. And promoting FTX. See below.

pseudalopex 3y ago

> Brave is what Firefox could and should have become. A little known Chromium fork? Brave has some privacy advantages by default. Firefox has some privacy advantages with configuration. Both are useful. Vivaldi seems to have been more successful as a power user's browser than Brave has had with 1 eye on cryptocurrency and 1 eye on privacy.