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See my long thread here about a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37801542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37801542 Bottom line from that t

See my long thread here about a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37801542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37801542 Bottom line from that thread: The organization supporting Firefox does not have the trust or gravitas left to gain enough competent followers to create the conditions needed to sustain Firefox as a leader

dangus 3y ago
I'm confused about which part of the link supports your hypothesis. You might as well say that a forum on XDA Developers is proof that Apple products suck and nobody buys them. Mozilla is trying to convince people who have never been to this forum to use their browser, not a vocal minority of idealists who hate the idea of Mozilla daring to try and expand their revenue streams ("pointless endeavors" as user "sirwhinesalot" calls it).
- numbsafari 3y ago
  In what ways has mozilla meaningfully dared to try and expand their revenue streams? Seems to me, they've been very daring and motivated at expanding the executive compensation of a single board member, chair Mitchell Baker, who earns 3x the rest of the executive leadership combined.
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    > In what ways has mozilla meaningfully dared to try and expand their revenue streams? Pocket. Mozilla VPN. Is MDN Plus meaningful? Probably the Mr. Robot ad would have led to paid ads without the backlash.
  - KronisLV 3y ago
    > In what ways has mozilla meaningfully dared to try and expand their revenue streams? I think that Mozilla VPN is pretty nice. It's based on Mullvad VPN, so they seem to know their audience (given that Mullvad has a pretty okay reputation among many tech savvy or privacy conscious folks, a lot of which probably use something like Firefox as well): https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/vpn/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/vpn/ I guess there's also Firefox Relay, for those who might benefit from something like that: https://relay.firefox.com/ https://relay.firefox.com/ Not many other products to give them money for come to mind, though.

dangus 3y ago

I'm confused about which part of the link supports your hypothesis. You might as well say that a forum on XDA Developers is proof that Apple products suck and nobody buys them. Mozilla is trying to convince people who have never been to this forum to use their browser, not a vocal minority of idealists who hate the idea of Mozilla daring to try and expand their revenue streams ("pointless endeavors" as user "sirwhinesalot" calls it).

numbsafari 3y ago
In what ways has mozilla meaningfully dared to try and expand their revenue streams? Seems to me, they've been very daring and motivated at expanding the executive compensation of a single board member, chair Mitchell Baker, who earns 3x the rest of the executive leadership combined.
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  > In what ways has mozilla meaningfully dared to try and expand their revenue streams? Pocket. Mozilla VPN. Is MDN Plus meaningful? Probably the Mr. Robot ad would have led to paid ads without the backlash.
- KronisLV 3y ago
  > In what ways has mozilla meaningfully dared to try and expand their revenue streams? I think that Mozilla VPN is pretty nice. It's based on Mullvad VPN, so they seem to know their audience (given that Mullvad has a pretty okay reputation among many tech savvy or privacy conscious folks, a lot of which probably use something like Firefox as well): https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/vpn/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/vpn/ I guess there's also Firefox Relay, for those who might benefit from something like that: https://relay.firefox.com/ https://relay.firefox.com/ Not many other products to give them money for come to mind, though.