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In context of format war, winning means that they earn patent fee from every device. I don't think it's Apple's intension, but possibly Qualcomm's.

llm_nerd 3y ago
Qualcomm isn't even a part of the HEVC alliance patent pool, so that theory doesn't hold. Indeed, the fact that Qualcomm is currently building AV1 support into their next chip (purportedly) puts them at risk of being sued because while AV1 is open, we all know how patents work and there are almost certainly actionable overlaps with the pool. Apple ships probably more devices than anyone, and given that the patent pool is huge as mentioned odds are overwhelmingly that it costs them money to support HEVC / HEIC, not the reverse. That theory also is dubious. Remember when everyone was yammering for VP8 support? Then it was VP9 support? Now it's AV1. Sometimes it takes a while to shake out. By all appearances AV1 is a winner, hence why it's finally getting support.
- Rastonbury 3y ago
  If I'm not wrong paying to patent pool is capped, so apple would just pay at the cap
- entropicdrifter 3y ago
  >Apple ships probably more devices than anyone, and given that the patent pool is huge as mentioned odds are overwhelmingly that it costs them money to support HEVC / HEIC, not the reverse. That theory also is dubious. This is a nit that doesn't negate your main point: Apple may ship more complete devices than anyone, but Qualcomm makes up significantly more of the SoC manufacturer market share[1] at 29% vs Apple's 19% [1] https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/infographic-q2-2023-semiconductors-foundry-and-smartphoneap-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/infographic-q2...
- fomine3 3y ago
  Qualcomm may gave up? https://www.iam-media.com/article/qualcomm-ends-participation-in-hevc-licensing-platform-velos-media https://www.iam-media.com/article/qualcomm-ends-participatio...

llm_nerd 3y ago

Qualcomm isn't even a part of the HEVC alliance patent pool, so that theory doesn't hold. Indeed, the fact that Qualcomm is currently building AV1 support into their next chip (purportedly) puts them at risk of being sued because while AV1 is open, we all know how patents work and there are almost certainly actionable overlaps with the pool. Apple ships probably more devices than anyone, and given that the patent pool is huge as mentioned odds are overwhelmingly that it costs them money to support HEVC / HEIC, not the reverse. That theory also is dubious. Remember when everyone was yammering for VP8 support? Then it was VP9 support? Now it's AV1. Sometimes it takes a while to shake out. By all appearances AV1 is a winner, hence why it's finally getting support.

Rastonbury 3y ago
If I'm not wrong paying to patent pool is capped, so apple would just pay at the cap
entropicdrifter 3y ago
>Apple ships probably more devices than anyone, and given that the patent pool is huge as mentioned odds are overwhelmingly that it costs them money to support HEVC / HEIC, not the reverse. That theory also is dubious. This is a nit that doesn't negate your main point: Apple may ship more complete devices than anyone, but Qualcomm makes up significantly more of the SoC manufacturer market share[1] at 29% vs Apple's 19% [1] https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/infographic-q2-2023-semiconductors-foundry-and-smartphoneap-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/infographic-q2...
fomine3 3y ago
Qualcomm may gave up? https://www.iam-media.com/article/qualcomm-ends-participation-in-hevc-licensing-platform-velos-media https://www.iam-media.com/article/qualcomm-ends-participatio...