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What should it be replaced with — a system where no one retains intellectual rights over the works that they create?

by nness 3y ago

TotalCrackpot 3y ago
What is intellectual right? I respect authorship, with obvious consideration that no intellectual activity happens in a vacuum, as Isaac Newton said: "if I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.". I believe that I should never be able to get financially hurt or go to prison because I used other person's thoughts.
- delecti 3y ago
  > I believe that I should never be able to get financially hurt or go to prison because I used other person's thoughts "Use another person's thoughts" is obfuscating the reality of the situation so far as to be disingenuous. The way society ensures new works are created is to guarantee a temporary monopoly over certain narrow types of ideas to their creators. Why would anybody be an author if everyone could download free copies of any new book that came out? I think patents are granted too liberally, and that copyright lasts at least twice as long as it should, but to argue that intellectual property can't even in theory be beneficial to protect is silly.
  - TotalCrackpot 3y ago
    Do you suggest that you need intellectual property for new ideas to be created and propagated? THAT'S silly! For most of the history of this species there were no intellectual property rights and people still were sharing their thoughts and ideas for various reasons.
    - delecti 3y ago
      For most of the history of this species there also weren't books, people making a living writing books, computers, or importantly, the ability to endlessly copy books using computers. If we want people to write books, those people need to be able to feed themselves, and that's harder if nobody has any reason to pay for those books.
      - TotalCrackpot 3y ago
        We can try some kind of libertarian socialism system, either with decentralized planing or with anti-capitalist markets to deal with it. Consider existence of services like patreon where people support creators they respect before are able to get to know the work of the author - no intellectual property rights are needed here.
        delecti 3y ago
        Realistically, you're talking about a fantasy world. Less harshly, if we want to have that kind of world, we're not going to get there by abandoning creatives by removing intellectual property protections as the first step. Within the current society, intellectual property law does more good than harm. But besides that, I don't think a universal patreon-like support system is even ideal. I don't want to provide ongoing support for any creation/creator I appreciate. I like being able to just buy a book.

What should it be replaced with — a system where no one retains intellectual rights over the works that they create?

by nness 3y ago

What should it be replaced with — a system where no one retains intellectual rights over the works that they create?

What is intellectual right? I respect authorship, with obvious consideration that no intellectual activity happens in a vacuum, as Isaac Newton said: "if I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.". I believe that I should never be able to get financially hurt or go to prison because I used other person's thoughts.

delecti 3y ago
> I believe that I should never be able to get financially hurt or go to prison because I used other person's thoughts "Use another person's thoughts" is obfuscating the reality of the situation so far as to be disingenuous. The way society ensures new works are created is to guarantee a temporary monopoly over certain narrow types of ideas to their creators. Why would anybody be an author if everyone could download free copies of any new book that came out? I think patents are granted too liberally, and that copyright lasts at least twice as long as it should, but to argue that intellectual property can't even in theory be beneficial to protect is silly.
- TotalCrackpot 3y ago
  Do you suggest that you need intellectual property for new ideas to be created and propagated? THAT'S silly! For most of the history of this species there were no intellectual property rights and people still were sharing their thoughts and ideas for various reasons.
  - delecti 3y ago
    For most of the history of this species there also weren't books, people making a living writing books, computers, or importantly, the ability to endlessly copy books using computers. If we want people to write books, those people need to be able to feed themselves, and that's harder if nobody has any reason to pay for those books.
    - TotalCrackpot 3y ago
      We can try some kind of libertarian socialism system, either with decentralized planing or with anti-capitalist markets to deal with it. Consider existence of services like patreon where people support creators they respect before are able to get to know the work of the author - no intellectual property rights are needed here.
      - delecti 3y ago
        Realistically, you're talking about a fantasy world. Less harshly, if we want to have that kind of world, we're not going to get there by abandoning creatives by removing intellectual property protections as the first step. Within the current society, intellectual property law does more good than harm. But besides that, I don't think a universal patreon-like support system is even ideal. I don't want to provide ongoing support for any creation/creator I appreciate. I like being able to just buy a book.