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According to the article, it's supported by every browser except Edge. It will be interesting to see who ultimately ends up making a better IE, Safari or Micros

According to the article, it's supported by every browser except Edge. It will be interesting to see who ultimately ends up making a better IE, Safari or Microsoft. So far, it seems Safari is winning, given the ever growing set of standards they don't support, but maybe this is Edge trying to catch up?

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
The data at CanIUse.com seems to suggest they're going backward and used to have an installable plugin: https://caniuse.com/av1 https://caniuse.com/av1 see also: https://www.thurrott.com/forums/microsoft/windows/thread/youtube-not-working-in-edge https://www.thurrott.com/forums/microsoft/windows/thread/you... Which seems to be claiming the software fallback has been suddenly yanked, temporarily breaking YouTube which fixed it by serving VP9 instead but maybe AV1 hardware decode is still working?
pjc50 3y ago
Odd given that Edge is Chromium.
xvilka 3y ago
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- mort96 3y ago
  So a few things here: 1. A fair number of users are gonna use the default browser. You probably want to support those users. 2. iOS users can't download non-WebKit browsers. You probably want to support iOS users.
- sixothree 3y ago
  Because they want something less user hostile than Chrome?
- cptcobalt 3y ago
  What is a "real" web browser? One would assume its an application that takes web content and parses it for user display so they can use it to browse the web...so Edge and Safari would surely be real, right?
- sp332 3y ago
  Edge and Safari (and Firefox) have reader mode, which automatically makes them better than Chrome.
baggy_trough 3y ago
What are the "ever growing set of standards" that Safari doesn't support?
- arbitrarian 3y ago
  This was discussed here not too long ago. I assume not much has changed since then. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31902707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31902707
  - threeseed 3y ago
    Most of those that were discussed have been implemented. The new list is here [1]. What you see is that they implement different features with Google obviously wanting the browser to be a full blown OS. So they added things like MIDI support and web pages being able to access the battery. The problem with many of those features is that they have been shown by researchers to either (a) be insecure or (b) allow web pages to uniquely fingerprint your device. This is obviously an anathema to everything Apple believes in. [1] https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+121,edge+118,safari+17.2,safari+TP&compareCats=all https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+121,edge+118,safari+17.2...
    - troupo 3y ago
      Firefox is also against many of the hardware APIs that Chrome pushes
  - baggy_trough 3y ago
    So you don't know, but you assume it's the same, so "ever-growing" is just a uninformed slam? If anything the reality is the opposite.
- asylteltine 3y ago
  Nothing that is relevant. I use safari across all my devices and I have never had an issue besides very specific things like flashing microcontrollers through a web interface which I had to use chrome for. That’s basically irrelevant for the entire world. Safari is mega efficient and fast and actually cares about your privacy

ZeroGravitas 3y ago

The data at CanIUse.com seems to suggest they're going backward and used to have an installable plugin: https://caniuse.com/av1 https://caniuse.com/av1 see also: https://www.thurrott.com/forums/microsoft/windows/thread/youtube-not-working-in-edge https://www.thurrott.com/forums/microsoft/windows/thread/you... Which seems to be claiming the software fallback has been suddenly yanked, temporarily breaking YouTube which fixed it by serving VP9 instead but maybe AV1 hardware decode is still working?

pjc50 3y ago

Odd given that Edge is Chromium.

xvilka 3y ago

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mort96 3y ago
So a few things here: 1. A fair number of users are gonna use the default browser. You probably want to support those users. 2. iOS users can't download non-WebKit browsers. You probably want to support iOS users.
sixothree 3y ago
Because they want something less user hostile than Chrome?
cptcobalt 3y ago
What is a "real" web browser? One would assume its an application that takes web content and parses it for user display so they can use it to browse the web...so Edge and Safari would surely be real, right?
sp332 3y ago
Edge and Safari (and Firefox) have reader mode, which automatically makes them better than Chrome.

baggy_trough 3y ago

What are the "ever growing set of standards" that Safari doesn't support?

arbitrarian 3y ago
This was discussed here not too long ago. I assume not much has changed since then. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31902707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31902707
- threeseed 3y ago
  Most of those that were discussed have been implemented. The new list is here [1]. What you see is that they implement different features with Google obviously wanting the browser to be a full blown OS. So they added things like MIDI support and web pages being able to access the battery. The problem with many of those features is that they have been shown by researchers to either (a) be insecure or (b) allow web pages to uniquely fingerprint your device. This is obviously an anathema to everything Apple believes in. [1] https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+121,edge+118,safari+17.2,safari+TP&compareCats=all https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+121,edge+118,safari+17.2...
  - troupo 3y ago
    Firefox is also against many of the hardware APIs that Chrome pushes
- baggy_trough 3y ago
  So you don't know, but you assume it's the same, so "ever-growing" is just a uninformed slam? If anything the reality is the opposite.
asylteltine 3y ago
Nothing that is relevant. I use safari across all my devices and I have never had an issue besides very specific things like flashing microcontrollers through a web interface which I had to use chrome for. That’s basically irrelevant for the entire world. Safari is mega efficient and fast and actually cares about your privacy