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Say I am building a marketplace which I plan: will get many users. Also, we are only 2 building it. I am pretty sure this is way more expansive to spend engine

by Cyriou 3y ago

Say I am building a marketplace which I plan: will get many users. Also, we are only 2 building it. I am pretty sure this is way more expansive to spend engineering time making it possible for server(s) to scale using kubernetes and stuff, than just using serverless. And later with many users, we estimate what better be implemented manually to save money, because at this point it would actually save us money to employ a new engineer than continue paying serverless due to number of users. Don't you think serverless makes sense?

andrewstuart 3y ago
Why would you run kubernetes? Do you really feel that serverless is somehow faster than a reasonably modern computer? Nodejs on a single machine can manage tens of thousands of connections if not hundreds of thousands. The vast, vast majority of sites would never be able to consume 50% of the computing power in a modern gaming OC.
- Cyriou 3y ago
  I don't think it is faster, I think it is way more convenient Ok, say I don't need kubernetes. I would still do it in AWS, as it is like golden garden, don't need to deep dive into security measures, to manage authorizations manually, to handle database sharding and optimizations, you get notifications systems, ML, data streams and everything just connects together. From there using lambda is way faster than to develop your own api with caching and making sure it is 100% optimized so that 10 thousands ppl can connect, while in fact you might change it tmrw.
brap 3y ago
It's not all or nothing, there are in-between approaches. For example you can write your portable app in Node.js (with or without containerization) and push it to a "serverless" PaaS, without running your own linux machine or worrying about k8s. e.g Fly.io, Render, Railway...
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Yes I’m going to tell my CTO to use any of those solutions and immediately be laughed out of the room.
  - brap 3y ago
    You might not have a good CTO then
dpats 3y ago
You can scale without learning kubernetes. Heroku is mature and easy to use.

by Cyriou 3y ago

andrewstuart 3y ago

Why would you run kubernetes? Do you really feel that serverless is somehow faster than a reasonably modern computer? Nodejs on a single machine can manage tens of thousands of connections if not hundreds of thousands. The vast, vast majority of sites would never be able to consume 50% of the computing power in a modern gaming OC.

Cyriou 3y ago
I don't think it is faster, I think it is way more convenient Ok, say I don't need kubernetes. I would still do it in AWS, as it is like golden garden, don't need to deep dive into security measures, to manage authorizations manually, to handle database sharding and optimizations, you get notifications systems, ML, data streams and everything just connects together. From there using lambda is way faster than to develop your own api with caching and making sure it is 100% optimized so that 10 thousands ppl can connect, while in fact you might change it tmrw.

brap 3y ago

It's not all or nothing, there are in-between approaches. For example you can write your portable app in Node.js (with or without containerization) and push it to a "serverless" PaaS, without running your own linux machine or worrying about k8s. e.g Fly.io, Render, Railway...

scarface_74 3y ago
Yes I’m going to tell my CTO to use any of those solutions and immediately be laughed out of the room.
- brap 3y ago
  You might not have a good CTO then

dpats 3y ago

You can scale without learning kubernetes. Heroku is mature and easy to use.