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Problem is a lot of games give controllers aim-assist, and using one of these devices means the game still sees your input device as a controller so you get tha

Problem is a lot of games give controllers aim-assist, and using one of these devices means the game still sees your input device as a controller so you get that aim-assist but you also get the benefits of using a mouse.

solardev 3y ago
That seems fine? Some games do offer it for mouse too and I always turn them off. It's not really a limiting factor for most mouse users. Just let be an option that any one can toggle on or off. Maybe have two different leagues. I'm not some hardcore shooter pro gamer either, just some dude with a $20 mouse and mouse pad full of cat hair. Aiming is not an issue at all and auto aim is just a hindrance.
- fishtacos 3y ago
  Auto aim with a mouse is indeed a hindrance, yet auto aim with a controller is something necessary in many cases, especially as one gets older or brain gets cat hair in it.
- cheeseomlit 3y ago
  It's a significant balance issue, auto-aim in a lot of modern shooters is so strong it's basically an aim hack. Even on controllers the game practically plays itself, but combine that with the precision (and more importantly turn speed) of mouse aiming and its straight up broken
katbyte 3y ago
Real problem here seems to be games doing aim assist in multiplayer
- snarfy 3y ago
  I'm competitive. I simply won't play FPS that have aim assist in multiplayer. If a controller has a disadvantage to KBM, they should learn to use KBM, not give them a built-in aimbot.
  - michaelt 3y ago
    > If a controller has a disadvantage to KBM, they should learn to use KBM Can you see how Microsoft, maker of the xbox, might not share your opinion?
    - ComputerGuru 3y ago
      But Microsoft also makes Microsoft Mouse and Microsoft Keyboard!
      - heyoni 3y ago
        Which is incompatible with couch play…
        ComputerGuru 3y ago
        The exclamation mark was sarcastic.
        heyoni 3y ago
        Woosh. Went right over my head :D
  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    Or maybe they could just ban KBM play.
    - snarfy 3y ago
      I agree with this for consoles. I think the main issue is cross play. One solution would be to make cross play opt-in. It's not fair to either group.
    - dyingkneepad 3y ago
      That is kinda what they're attempting to do with their move here.
- rpgwaiter 3y ago
  You ever try playing a competitive shooter on controller without aim assist? It's not really doable, especially when playing against KB+M "Why artificially limit yourself by playing a shooter with a controller?" Because I want to sit comfortably in my chair. Because I much prefer the hand/wrist feel of a controller. Because my hands don't work well enough for mouse gaming. Because I'm choosing to play a game where the majority of players are on controller also with aim assist. Also, at a high level, aim assist is a mechanic like any other that you can learn and use to your advantage. In CoD, good players will swipe their gun around from the hip to see if their aim slows down at all, can help detect players through walls or just dark corner campers
Canada 3y ago
Just ban those from multiplayer then

solardev 3y ago

That seems fine? Some games do offer it for mouse too and I always turn them off. It's not really a limiting factor for most mouse users. Just let be an option that any one can toggle on or off. Maybe have two different leagues. I'm not some hardcore shooter pro gamer either, just some dude with a $20 mouse and mouse pad full of cat hair. Aiming is not an issue at all and auto aim is just a hindrance.

fishtacos 3y ago
Auto aim with a mouse is indeed a hindrance, yet auto aim with a controller is something necessary in many cases, especially as one gets older or brain gets cat hair in it.
cheeseomlit 3y ago
It's a significant balance issue, auto-aim in a lot of modern shooters is so strong it's basically an aim hack. Even on controllers the game practically plays itself, but combine that with the precision (and more importantly turn speed) of mouse aiming and its straight up broken

katbyte 3y ago

Real problem here seems to be games doing aim assist in multiplayer

snarfy 3y ago
I'm competitive. I simply won't play FPS that have aim assist in multiplayer. If a controller has a disadvantage to KBM, they should learn to use KBM, not give them a built-in aimbot.
- michaelt 3y ago
  > If a controller has a disadvantage to KBM, they should learn to use KBM Can you see how Microsoft, maker of the xbox, might not share your opinion?
  - ComputerGuru 3y ago
    But Microsoft also makes Microsoft Mouse and Microsoft Keyboard!
    - heyoni 3y ago
      Which is incompatible with couch play…
      - ComputerGuru 3y ago
        The exclamation mark was sarcastic.
        heyoni 3y ago
        Woosh. Went right over my head :D
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  Or maybe they could just ban KBM play.
  - snarfy 3y ago
    I agree with this for consoles. I think the main issue is cross play. One solution would be to make cross play opt-in. It's not fair to either group.
  - dyingkneepad 3y ago
    That is kinda what they're attempting to do with their move here.
rpgwaiter 3y ago
You ever try playing a competitive shooter on controller without aim assist? It's not really doable, especially when playing against KB+M "Why artificially limit yourself by playing a shooter with a controller?" Because I want to sit comfortably in my chair. Because I much prefer the hand/wrist feel of a controller. Because my hands don't work well enough for mouse gaming. Because I'm choosing to play a game where the majority of players are on controller also with aim assist. Also, at a high level, aim assist is a mechanic like any other that you can learn and use to your advantage. In CoD, good players will swipe their gun around from the hip to see if their aim slows down at all, can help detect players through walls or just dark corner campers

Canada 3y ago

Just ban those from multiplayer then