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Need can only be assessed relative to one's goals. Many business models depend on tracking, so if your goal is to run such a business, then it's needed.
by lisper 3y ago
Need can only be assessed relative to one's goals. Many business models depend on tracking, so if your goal is to run such a business, then it's needed.
- JoshTriplett 3y agoIf your business model depends on tracking, you should go out of business.
- Almondsetat 3y agoMy parking lot business depends on tracking the license plates of who enters and who exits
- polygamous_bat 3y agoCool, as long as you’re not tracking them everywhere else out in the world, shouldn’t be an issue.
- sensanaty 3y agoDoes it then proceed to track each license plate and their movements once outside the parking lot, keeping a note of every single place where the license plate goes and parks in order to build a profile on that license plate so that you can sell that info off and shove ads down their throats?
- gonzan 3y agoThat’s not how most people use cookies, just google & co. I’m using an in-house analytics app platform that uses cookies to track how often visitors use the app but we do no tracking at all outside of our website, we just want to know how often people use our site
- kybernetikos 3y agoI think this is an actual example of 'legitimate interest' under GDPR (unlike most of the websites that claim it). There would still be an expectation that you didn't use that data for anything else and got rid of it as soon as it was no longer needed.
- nickpp 3y agoArguing 'legitimate interest' in front of a non-tech judge in one of the many EU countries where a local agency implements GDPR would be... not fun.
- josefx 3y agoI bet that kind of use of license plates is older than any judge still alive. The hard part is convincing the judge that you can't implement it without sharing the data with two dozen web services.
- BobaFloutist 3y agoDo you retain the license plate information after they exit the business?
- alkonaut 3y agoYou don’t need consent for that under any data regulation I know of. So long as you don’t keep it any longer than you need to, don’t sell the info or use it to target people with ads etc then you are fine. What you are referring to here isn’t a problem.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoOnly for the purpose of tracking how much time each vehicle was parked so you can charge them for that time. Absolutely nothing else. You should also be legally required to delete that information immediately after the transaction is done.
- SoftTalker 3y agoYou're more likely going to be required to keep that information for a period of time for audit purposes, or to be able to justify a credit card charge in case there is a claim of fraud, etc.
- 8note 3y agoI could easily build you a system that has no dependency on license plates. For most of my life, it's been done with tickets you buy at a booth and put in your dash, then you use the ticket to exit
- lisper 3y agoThat is a position that only the privileged can take. There are a lot of people who are happy to pay for services with personal info rather than cash because they have to save what little of the latter they have to pay for things like food and shelter.
- JoshTriplett 3y ago"Happy to" is quite a stretch. Being forced into having your privacy invaded due to economic circumstances does not make such practices acceptable. If all the privacy-violating companies go out of business, there will be plenty of underserved customers for companies with more legitimate business models.
- lisper 3y ago> "Happy to" is quite a stretch. No, I don't think so. I think most people would choose to pay with info rather than cash even if they have the cash simply because they don't fully grasp the actual cost to them. People make foolish (from my perspective) economic decisions all the time. I am currently traveling in the American south where I am surrounded by shockingly vast numbers of morbidly obese people who willingly trade their health for a sugar rush. No one is holding a gun to these people's heads and forcing them to drink sugary soda and eat fried food, but they do it anyway. They do it because they like it, and because they don't think about (or don't care about) the long-term consequences. People are (again, from my perspective) stupid. But I don't think it should be the role of government to save people from their own stupidity. That is a very slippery slope.
- MarcusE1W 3y agoI appreciate that this court decision will most likely be appealed and so the current state is not as clear as it could yet. But if you assume the court decisions stands then if your business is based on tracking that means your business is based on illegal activities. The only way out is to either change your business approach to comply with the law or go out of business. That’s no difference to many other activities that probably could earn money but are illegal.
- lisper 3y ago> if your business is based on tracking that means your business is based on illegal activities Why? Tracking is not illegal. It's just tracking without consent that's illegal.
- AlexandrB 3y agoLet's be real. How many websites/apps ask for real, informed consent for tracking? Tracking without consent is the norm.
- nickpp 3y agoLet's be real. How many users care? I don't - and I am fully informed and prepared. A month into the cookie banners avalanche and I just started clicking OK without looking. Now I have the "I don't care about cookies" extension and that's it.
- AlexandrB 3y ago> Let's be real. How many users care? I think this question is very context sensitive. The way privacy questions are usually presented ("we want to improve/personalize your experience"), I don't think most people care. But when presented with actual outcomes of loss of privacy (e.g. the Cambridge Analytica scandal) people seem to care a lot. For most people I suspect there's a gap in understanding between how people think their data is used and how it's actually used. Whenever this gap is closed by a major scandal where "how the sausage is made" is revealed, there's often a strong reaction. But perhaps the biggest indication that people do care about privacy is that ad companies are so reluctant to allow them to opt out of tracking. If (almost) nobody cares, what's the harm in having clear consent or an opt out?
- clausecker 3y agoI'm okay with these business models failing.
- seanhunter 3y agoCourts in Europe have lots of precedent on balancing the users' right to privacy with businesses desire to implement things like tracking. You don't just get to say to the court "I need to do it because otherwise I don't have a business"
- matheusmoreira 3y agoBusiness models which depend on tracking should be illegal.