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>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the on

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china-s-censored-internet-after-hamas-attack-/7307404.html https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

ReptileMan 3y ago
The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.
- logicchains 3y ago
  Did you read the article? >"It's really the fault of Little Mustache," wrote a netizen. "If he had burned all of them (Jews), we wouldn't have this much trouble." Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    > Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic except for the neo-nazis..
  - ReptileMan 3y ago
    You haven't checked twitter after oct 7th. I have seen quite a lot of exactly that. Usually from "decolonizers" So what I was wanting to say was that gab is not the best comparison specifically now specifically for antisemitism. Mainstream twitter is
  - invalidname 3y ago
    > Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly. Jews in the west are afraid to go to universities. Stars of david were drawn on many houses in France. In a Palestinian demonstration where they called for a Palestinian state from river to sea (elimination of Israel), the only arrested person is a Jewish woman who confronted them. I don't rush to call people antisemitic, I think most of them are just "useful idiots" for the Hamas/Iran propaganda. But there are also some people who are letting old prejudice rise and using this as an opportunity. This isn't mainstream but that's how these things start...
  - concinds 3y ago
    You're kidding surely. that quote comes from random social media posts. A rather lazy narrative by VoA, which will get its readers to stereotype China as anti-Semitic, or as being more tolerant of anti-Semitism than the West, stereotypes you seem to have accepted too, when none of that is empirically established. It's a strange motte-and-bailey, where media outlets are factual ("here are a few tweets"), but are always interpreted in irrational ways ("XYZ group has a big problem with ABC"), since average people are known to falsely generalize based on anecdotes. I'll take such articles seriously when they start presenting quantified empirical data. I'll be waiting a while.
  - hnbad 3y ago
    I don't know how to say this but have you ever visited a site called 4chan? And that's not even the worst offender. Ever since Twitter fired most of its content moderation team, it's also pretty easy to find that kind of talk there, as well as the inverse (i.e. literal calls for genocide against non-Jewish Palestinians).
- 0dayz 3y ago
  As Palestinians are technically Semitic people, the right is also antisemitic. :^)
  - hackerlight 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_(linguistics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_(linguistics)
    - 0dayz 3y ago
      You do realize that I made my comment as a tongue-in-cheek?
- jwestbury 3y ago
  > The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. I'm curious what you're defining as antisemitic here. I've seen a lot of claims that being anti-Israeli-government is equivalent to antisemitism, but this is objectively not the case.
  - ReptileMan 3y ago
    From the top of my head - direct praises of hamas, sharing of the paratrooper meme, sharing of the star of david beheading babies meme and generally a lot of people direct or indirect calling that the Israeli deserved it. There are a lot of Mia Khalifas out there. Since october 7th there I have observed (probably because a lot of people I follow on twitter are jewish, so they kinda amplify the nasty content) serious rise in "gas the jews" types of antisemithism on twitter. Some of it edgelording of course, but a lot of the content there has serious bite.
    - badcppdev 3y ago
      So we have a phenomena where people of group X report anti-X content. Is there an accepted term for that? Not quite the Streisand effect. I wonder how much that contributes to the viralness(virality?) of some of this hate speech? It's definitely not healthy and a good reason to get off social media.
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  - invalidname 3y ago
    I agree that this is often the case. I hate people who pull the antisemitic claim and throw it around without just cause. Right now the main claim is about the university letters that claimed the fault of October 7th terrorist attacks are 100% due to Israel. This is dumb and devoid of factual basis. Also members of the squad said pretty ignorant things about the war. It's a mistake even Jews make because of basic misunderstanding of the situation. E.g. the grand central demonstration. This is all based on some correct notion: Israel has been terrible to the Palestinians. That's a fact that the Liberals are 100% correct about. There should be a Palestinian state and settlements should be removed... But today in New York they had a demonstration which called for the formation of a Palestinian state from sea to river. That effectively means wiping out Israel. That is the explicit charter of the Hamas. That is why it sabotaged the Oslo accord and stopped peace. Liberals are always against war, but in this case it's a war against a jihadi organization that has done everything to stop peace and a Palestinian state. Some violence is necessary to stop them. They are also very media savvy and manipulate liberal sentiment with difficult pictures. I saw the Circus the other week. A young liberal was confronting Kamala Harris and said horrible things about Israel. He blamed Israel for the Hospital bombing and made pretty horrendous false claims. This is all false, but by the time it was proven false people don't notice it and move to the next piece of propaganda from the Hamas. There's a liberal desire to help the weak, I'm a liberal and have that same desire. As a
- vasdae 3y ago
  By right-leaning I guess you mean neocon. I am right-leaning myself and my point of view is that we shouldn't interfere and that if both countries disappear it may be for the best.
  - fredoliveira 3y ago
    > that if both countries disappear it may be for the best. Quoting in hopes that you read your own words and think about them a bit longer.
    - vasdae 3y ago
      It's what I've thought for a long time. I don't mean that we should provoke it, in fact we should steer clear, but they are both enemies of the West, so I wouldn't shed a tear.
- jowea 3y ago
  I think it's one of those horseshoe theory cases. The radical right is anti-Israel because of anti-Semitism.
Cookingboy 3y ago
>China is very anti-Israel That's just completely false. China and Israel has always had a decently warm relationship, so much so Israel was selling weapons to China until the U.S. forced them to stop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Military_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations... The Israel-Palestine conflict is one place where they have disagreement, but overall the two countries are on friendly terms. And you do know Voice of America is an U.S. government funded propaganda outlet right?
- invalidname 3y ago
  The answer is somewhere in between. China is more aligned to the east and Israel is firmly aligned to the US. So China implicitly picks the opposite side but does so "gently" because they want to profit off the west and not alienate it too much. They would very much like to see Israel knocked down a peg as Israel serves as a demo of the US army capabilities.
hnbad 3y ago
That's a very deliberate misrepresentation and oversimplification. China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. China is also anti-Israel because Israel is a close ally of the US and majority Muslim countries normalising relationships with Israel aligns them closer with the US. Also, the non-Chinese version of Weibo (Twitter, or X) is also basically Gab at this point and flooded with antisemitic and anti-Israel (but also anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim) posts. The owner has even shared antisemitic accounts and posts himself. That doesn't seem to be a good yardstick for anything.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
  > China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. A muslim is not an islamist [1], your simplification is concerning, China officially recognize Islam [2], and Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy Stick to the facts please [1] - https://humanists.international/blog/the-difference-between-muslims-islamists-and-jihadists-explained-by-an-ex-islamist/ https://humanists.international/blog/the-difference-between-... [2] - https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/china/#:~:text=citizen's%20religious%20freedom.-,The%20government%20recognizes%20five%20official%20religions%3A%20Buddhism%2C%20Taoism%2C%20Islam,to%20register%20with%20the%20government https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-r....
  - infamia 3y ago
    > Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy It is far worse than the one child policy. Many were subjected to sterilization and involuntary birth control. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713
    - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago

ReptileMan 3y ago

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

logicchains 3y ago
Did you read the article? >"It's really the fault of Little Mustache," wrote a netizen. "If he had burned all of them (Jews), we wouldn't have this much trouble." Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.
- Chris2048 3y ago
  > Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic except for the neo-nazis..
- ReptileMan 3y ago
  You haven't checked twitter after oct 7th. I have seen quite a lot of exactly that. Usually from "decolonizers" So what I was wanting to say was that gab is not the best comparison specifically now specifically for antisemitism. Mainstream twitter is
- invalidname 3y ago
  > Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly. Jews in the west are afraid to go to universities. Stars of david were drawn on many houses in France. In a Palestinian demonstration where they called for a Palestinian state from river to sea (elimination of Israel), the only arrested person is a Jewish woman who confronted them. I don't rush to call people antisemitic, I think most of them are just "useful idiots" for the Hamas/Iran propaganda. But there are also some people who are letting old prejudice rise and using this as an opportunity. This isn't mainstream but that's how these things start...
- concinds 3y ago
  You're kidding surely. that quote comes from random social media posts. A rather lazy narrative by VoA, which will get its readers to stereotype China as anti-Semitic, or as being more tolerant of anti-Semitism than the West, stereotypes you seem to have accepted too, when none of that is empirically established. It's a strange motte-and-bailey, where media outlets are factual ("here are a few tweets"), but are always interpreted in irrational ways ("XYZ group has a big problem with ABC"), since average people are known to falsely generalize based on anecdotes. I'll take such articles seriously when they start presenting quantified empirical data. I'll be waiting a while.
- hnbad 3y ago
  I don't know how to say this but have you ever visited a site called 4chan? And that's not even the worst offender. Ever since Twitter fired most of its content moderation team, it's also pretty easy to find that kind of talk there, as well as the inverse (i.e. literal calls for genocide against non-Jewish Palestinians).
0dayz 3y ago
As Palestinians are technically Semitic people, the right is also antisemitic. :^)
- hackerlight 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_(linguistics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_(linguistics)
  - 0dayz 3y ago
    You do realize that I made my comment as a tongue-in-cheek?
jwestbury 3y ago
> The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. I'm curious what you're defining as antisemitic here. I've seen a lot of claims that being anti-Israeli-government is equivalent to antisemitism, but this is objectively not the case.
- ReptileMan 3y ago
  From the top of my head - direct praises of hamas, sharing of the paratrooper meme, sharing of the star of david beheading babies meme and generally a lot of people direct or indirect calling that the Israeli deserved it. There are a lot of Mia Khalifas out there. Since october 7th there I have observed (probably because a lot of people I follow on twitter are jewish, so they kinda amplify the nasty content) serious rise in "gas the jews" types of antisemithism on twitter. Some of it edgelording of course, but a lot of the content there has serious bite.
  - badcppdev 3y ago
    So we have a phenomena where people of group X report anti-X content. Is there an accepted term for that? Not quite the Streisand effect. I wonder how much that contributes to the viralness(virality?) of some of this hate speech? It's definitely not healthy and a good reason to get off social media.
  - deleted 3y ago
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- invalidname 3y ago
  I agree that this is often the case. I hate people who pull the antisemitic claim and throw it around without just cause. Right now the main claim is about the university letters that claimed the fault of October 7th terrorist attacks are 100% due to Israel. This is dumb and devoid of factual basis. Also members of the squad said pretty ignorant things about the war. It's a mistake even Jews make because of basic misunderstanding of the situation. E.g. the grand central demonstration. This is all based on some correct notion: Israel has been terrible to the Palestinians. That's a fact that the Liberals are 100% correct about. There should be a Palestinian state and settlements should be removed... But today in New York they had a demonstration which called for the formation of a Palestinian state from sea to river. That effectively means wiping out Israel. That is the explicit charter of the Hamas. That is why it sabotaged the Oslo accord and stopped peace. Liberals are always against war, but in this case it's a war against a jihadi organization that has done everything to stop peace and a Palestinian state. Some violence is necessary to stop them. They are also very media savvy and manipulate liberal sentiment with difficult pictures. I saw the Circus the other week. A young liberal was confronting Kamala Harris and said horrible things about Israel. He blamed Israel for the Hospital bombing and made pretty horrendous false claims. This is all false, but by the time it was proven false people don't notice it and move to the next piece of propaganda from the Hamas. There's a liberal desire to help the weak, I'm a liberal and have that same desire. As a
vasdae 3y ago
By right-leaning I guess you mean neocon. I am right-leaning myself and my point of view is that we shouldn't interfere and that if both countries disappear it may be for the best.
- fredoliveira 3y ago
  > that if both countries disappear it may be for the best. Quoting in hopes that you read your own words and think about them a bit longer.
  - vasdae 3y ago
    It's what I've thought for a long time. I don't mean that we should provoke it, in fact we should steer clear, but they are both enemies of the West, so I wouldn't shed a tear.
jowea 3y ago
I think it's one of those horseshoe theory cases. The radical right is anti-Israel because of anti-Semitism.

Cookingboy 3y ago

>China is very anti-Israel That's just completely false. China and Israel has always had a decently warm relationship, so much so Israel was selling weapons to China until the U.S. forced them to stop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Military_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations... The Israel-Palestine conflict is one place where they have disagreement, but overall the two countries are on friendly terms. And you do know Voice of America is an U.S. government funded propaganda outlet right?

invalidname 3y ago
The answer is somewhere in between. China is more aligned to the east and Israel is firmly aligned to the US. So China implicitly picks the opposite side but does so "gently" because they want to profit off the west and not alienate it too much. They would very much like to see Israel knocked down a peg as Israel serves as a demo of the US army capabilities.

hnbad 3y ago

That's a very deliberate misrepresentation and oversimplification. China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. China is also anti-Israel because Israel is a close ally of the US and majority Muslim countries normalising relationships with Israel aligns them closer with the US. Also, the non-Chinese version of Weibo (Twitter, or X) is also basically Gab at this point and flooded with antisemitic and anti-Israel (but also anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim) posts. The owner has even shared antisemitic accounts and posts himself. That doesn't seem to be a good yardstick for anything.

WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
> China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. A muslim is not an islamist [1], your simplification is concerning, China officially recognize Islam [2], and Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy Stick to the facts please [1] - https://humanists.international/blog/the-difference-between-muslims-islamists-and-jihadists-explained-by-an-ex-islamist/ https://humanists.international/blog/the-difference-between-... [2] - https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/china/#:~:text=citizen's%20religious%20freedom.-,The%20government%20recognizes%20five%20official%20religions%3A%20Buddhism%2C%20Taoism%2C%20Islam,to%20register%20with%20the%20government https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-r....
- infamia 3y ago
  > Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy It is far worse than the one child policy. Many were subjected to sterilization and involuntary birth control. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713
  - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago