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I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me li

I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

sofixa 3y ago
You don't have to be pro-Muslim to disagree with Israel's genocide or anti-Miuslim to disagree with Hamas' terrorist acts. Also, it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders, which Israel has multiple of (Gaza, West Bank, Golan).
- teekert 3y ago
  With "not exactly pro-muslim" I mean they have their own share of anti-muslim history and this does not rhyme with that. As said, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject but would like to learn.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    Yeah, but disagreeing with another country's genocide against Muslims doesn't mean they will disagree with their own. Geopolitics is often hypocritical (see US getting pissed the Soviet Union deployed ICBMs in Cuba while they have theirs in Turkey; or US collaborating with the ICC to help the investigation against Russian war crimes in Ukraine, while sanctioning ICC prosecutors when they try to investigate American war crimes in Afghanistan; China being friendly and investing in many Muslim-majority or Islamic countries while genociding their own Muslims).
  - timeon 3y ago
    Trying to find patterns of ideological consistency in geopolitics is probably not useful approach.
- justinclift 3y ago
  > it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders Aren't the majority of China's maritime borders disputed?
  - jowea 3y ago
    I think it's mostly the ones on the South China Sea. And you don't display disputed borders when you want to be neutral. Baidu can just show the official border according to the PRC.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      Interestingly, it turns out there's a wikipedia article about China's border disputes already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_Pe... They seem to have disputes with about half of the countries on their borders (land and maritime). That's a fair few. :/
krislei 3y ago
It's not about religion anymore. It's Russia, Iran, China and friends against all democracies.
- coldtea 3y ago
  That's the "lip-service to democracy" line from privileged (all the way to neo-colonial) powers. It's more like a handful of privileged countries behaving as if they own the world, and their client states (who the first have no problem if they're theocratic or dictatorships or brutal far right as long as they are their allies), against the developing world and any country with claims to sovereignity.
  - timeon 3y ago
    I wonder where would you put countries like Norway or Poland.
    - tazjin 3y ago
      Norway is a US client state; Poland could become sovereign but they're too busy trying to annoy literally everyone doing any business with them from any side, for whatever reason.
      - kunley 3y ago
        Can you explain?
        tazjin 3y ago
        [flagged]
      - jjgreen 3y ago
        Huh? Not a very good one, they don't consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation, for example.
    - hardware2win 3y ago
logicchains 3y ago
>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china-s-censored-internet-after-hamas-attack-/7307404.html https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...
- ReptileMan 3y ago
  The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.
  - logicchains 3y ago
    Did you read the article? >"It's really the fault of Little Mustache," wrote a netizen. "If he had burned all of them (Jews), we wouldn't have this much trouble." Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.
    - Chris2048 3y ago
      > Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic except for the neo-nazis..
    - ReptileMan 3y ago
      You haven't checked twitter after oct 7th. I have seen quite a lot of exactly that. Usually from "decolonizers" So what I was wanting to say was that gab is not the best comparison specifically now specifically for antisemitism. Mainstream twitter is
    - invalidname 3y ago
      > Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly. Jews in the west are afraid to go to universities. Stars of david were drawn on many houses in France. In a Palestinian demonstration where they called for a Palestinian state from river to sea (elimination of Israel), the only arrested person is a Jewish woman who confronted them. I don't rush to call people antisemitic, I think most of them are just "useful idiots" for the Hamas/Iran propaganda. But there are also some people who are letting old prejudice rise and using this as an opportunity. This isn't mainstream but that's how these things start...
RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
> China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. A lot of countries use the Israel-Palestinian issue as a distraction from their own abuses of their Muslim populations.
- guiriduro 3y ago
  And given the aparent tolerance shown towards the one in the ME, its easy for them to claim double standards when people complain about treatment of e.g. the Uygurs. Because, well, there are.
ReptileMan 3y ago
>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know All of the stans seem to get quite well with China, they are buddies with Iran and the Gulf and they make major investments in the green crescent in africa. They also get well with Malaysia. That is quite pro muslim. The only muslims they have problems with are the one inside their borders. So less than 1% of the total muslims in the world.
- mcphage 3y ago
  > The only muslims they have problems with are the one inside their borders. That's very much not pro-muslim, then.

sofixa 3y ago

You don't have to be pro-Muslim to disagree with Israel's genocide or anti-Miuslim to disagree with Hamas' terrorist acts. Also, it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders, which Israel has multiple of (Gaza, West Bank, Golan).

teekert 3y ago
With "not exactly pro-muslim" I mean they have their own share of anti-muslim history and this does not rhyme with that. As said, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject but would like to learn.
- sofixa 3y ago
  Yeah, but disagreeing with another country's genocide against Muslims doesn't mean they will disagree with their own. Geopolitics is often hypocritical (see US getting pissed the Soviet Union deployed ICBMs in Cuba while they have theirs in Turkey; or US collaborating with the ICC to help the investigation against Russian war crimes in Ukraine, while sanctioning ICC prosecutors when they try to investigate American war crimes in Afghanistan; China being friendly and investing in many Muslim-majority or Islamic countries while genociding their own Muslims).
- timeon 3y ago
  Trying to find patterns of ideological consistency in geopolitics is probably not useful approach.
justinclift 3y ago
> it could easily be just opting to not display any disputed borders Aren't the majority of China's maritime borders disputed?
- jowea 3y ago
  I think it's mostly the ones on the South China Sea. And you don't display disputed borders when you want to be neutral. Baidu can just show the official border according to the PRC.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    Interestingly, it turns out there's a wikipedia article about China's border disputes already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_Pe... They seem to have disputes with about half of the countries on their borders (land and maritime). That's a fair few. :/

krislei 3y ago

It's not about religion anymore. It's Russia, Iran, China and friends against all democracies.

coldtea 3y ago
That's the "lip-service to democracy" line from privileged (all the way to neo-colonial) powers. It's more like a handful of privileged countries behaving as if they own the world, and their client states (who the first have no problem if they're theocratic or dictatorships or brutal far right as long as they are their allies), against the developing world and any country with claims to sovereignity.
- timeon 3y ago
  I wonder where would you put countries like Norway or Poland.
  - tazjin 3y ago
    Norway is a US client state; Poland could become sovereign but they're too busy trying to annoy literally everyone doing any business with them from any side, for whatever reason.
    - kunley 3y ago
      Can you explain?
      - tazjin 3y ago
        [flagged]
    - jjgreen 3y ago
      Huh? Not a very good one, they don't consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation, for example.
  - hardware2win 3y ago

logicchains 3y ago

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china-s-censored-internet-after-hamas-attack-/7307404.html https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

ReptileMan 3y ago
The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.
- logicchains 3y ago
  Did you read the article? >"It's really the fault of Little Mustache," wrote a netizen. "If he had burned all of them (Jews), we wouldn't have this much trouble." Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    > Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic except for the neo-nazis..
  - ReptileMan 3y ago
    You haven't checked twitter after oct 7th. I have seen quite a lot of exactly that. Usually from "decolonizers" So what I was wanting to say was that gab is not the best comparison specifically now specifically for antisemitism. Mainstream twitter is
  - invalidname 3y ago
    > Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly. Jews in the west are afraid to go to universities. Stars of david were drawn on many houses in France. In a Palestinian demonstration where they called for a Palestinian state from river to sea (elimination of Israel), the only arrested person is a Jewish woman who confronted them. I don't rush to call people antisemitic, I think most of them are just "useful idiots" for the Hamas/Iran propaganda. But there are also some people who are letting old prejudice rise and using this as an opportunity. This isn't mainstream but that's how these things start...

RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago

> China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. A lot of countries use the Israel-Palestinian issue as a distraction from their own abuses of their Muslim populations.

guiriduro 3y ago
And given the aparent tolerance shown towards the one in the ME, its easy for them to claim double standards when people complain about treatment of e.g. the Uygurs. Because, well, there are.

ReptileMan 3y ago

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know All of the stans seem to get quite well with China, they are buddies with Iran and the Gulf and they make major investments in the green crescent in africa. They also get well with Malaysia. That is quite pro muslim. The only muslims they have problems with are the one inside their borders. So less than 1% of the total muslims in the world.

mcphage 3y ago
> The only muslims they have problems with are the one inside their borders. That's very much not pro-muslim, then.