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cultural appropriation As a european, I just can't wrap my head around this. How is it racist if I like a food of an other culture so much I cook it? Or I like

by JanSt 3y ago

cultural appropriation As a european, I just can't wrap my head around this. How is it racist if I like a food of an other culture so much I cook it? Or I like a hairstyle of different culture so I also want to wear it. Or clothes. Or making music. Or.... I mean, I admire all that stuff so much that I want it to be part of my life. How is this racist?

doublespanner 3y ago
Americans tied up so much of their image of a "good person" with not being racist, that when in environments with no way to demonstrate that they are not racist, they had to invent new racist things to oppose.
- boppo1 3y ago
  As a millennial, racism was taught to me in k-12 as being perhaps one of the fundamental forces of evil in the world; kind of an analog to what Christian students learn about Satan. As a result, people in my generation have moral codes that revolve around it, sometimes in twisted ways. Someone gets hit by a car but hey were racist? Had it coming.
  - leoedin 3y ago
    This really hit it on the head. Racism was presented as the worst transgression anyone could make. Is it a surprise that when the generation raised in that environment reached adulthood - and realised that racism wasn't quite as dead as they thought, some of them would take their internalised morality to the extreme.
    - cutty_wise 3y ago
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traverseda 3y ago
The strongest form of that argument I know about is really about how capitalism is eating the world. It's a common refrain that "white people have no culture", but if you replace "white people" with "globalized capitalism" it starts making more sense. Everyone drinks the same can of coke and eats the same grocery store sushi. If you look closer at the woke crowd you'll see that grocery store sushi is pretty "white". One of the big things they're actually complaining about is enshittification of other cultures via capitalism. So the idea is that cultural appropriation is a way to keep capitalism from eating the world, to keep shitty grocery store sushi from competing with people who actually know what they're doing. To try and keep capitalists from pillaging every developing economy.
- JanSt 3y ago
  That's a really weak argument. 1) It has nothing to do with racism but uses the accusation of someone being racist as a tool to push an agenda. 2) Japan still makes good sushi. Supermarket sushi has not destroyed japanese sushi culture 3) I'd argue that capitalism has made the world better in pretty much every aspect. You could argue that capitalism has destroyed the environment, but the fact is that leftist countries have a history of being even more destructive. 4) "white people have no culture" But people all over the world drink coke, watch american movies, drink french wine, eat italian food, drive german cars and they seem to like their smartphones.
  - traverseda 3y ago
    Yeah, but it's the strongest form of that argument I'm aware of.
  - steveBK123 3y ago
    Yeah it's such a garbage phrase & concept. It's like goldilocks.. you can't like another cultural too much (cultural appropriation) or too little (racism). Often the statement is made by people who aren't even from the supposedly wronged culture. Please let me know how much and in what manner I am allowed to appreciate and participate in other cultures, Mr Cultural Gatekeeper. America is great because people come here, participate in and enhance the existing culture. My grandmother loved Chinese takeout cuz she was a Jew who grew up in NYC. My Southeast Asian in-laws love Italian food and always insist on taking us out to it. Also, hate to break it to people, but Southeast Asia has some really crazy localized Italian dishes involving ketchup & hot dogs. Yesterday for breakfast I had greek yogurt.. from a company founded by a Greek! Last night I had leftover Thai (made by Thais!) and stopped by a Jewish bakery owned by Muslims for dessert. Had a black&white cookie with some baklava. My parents who live outside of any big city, who have never been to Asia, now frequently go out for Pho. A couple generations ago Vietnam was synonymous with "bad war". For a GenZ American it's now synonymous with "good food". What's not to love here?
subjectsigma 3y ago
There’s quite a lot of Americans who don’t believe in any of that stuff.
boppo1 3y ago
>cultural appropriation As I remember it, this really took off in popular culture after native americans got sick of dude-bros/girls wearing war bonnets to music festivals. Around 2012-2014 it was a hugely popular piece. When 'cultural appropriation' came up then I mildly agreed with the sentiment because the look was pretty openly disrespectful. And then it expanded like kudzu until digital hairstyles became off-limits: https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/11/30/21734131/animal-crossing-space-buns-puffs-black-hairstyles-nintendo-switch https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/11/30/21734131/ani... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/kzncc1/animal_crossing_space_buns_how_an_animal_crossing/&ved=2ahUKEwiequqeoKCCAxU4AjQIHSPeDjUQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0lGxaxjktBKxN32-7h4FA6 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  as a native american myself, I have no recollection of anyone I know ever taking issue with this. I don't doubt there was someone somewhere complaining, but similar to the rename of the washington redkins, most of us didn't give a shit. The most grumbling I've ever heard around this is complaints that pow-wow's are too commercialized but, if anything, that was criticizing our own tribes.
  - eschaton 3y ago
    The popular phrase was “my culture is not a costume” at the time. I also remember a bit of encouragement to distinguish between native and native-inspired fashion on the one hand and mimicry and stereotyping on the other.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      I don't doubt there were people making noise, but I live in a state that's known for Native Americans (I'm sure you can guess) and it just wasn't a concern for anyone I know. It's the old adage about a few loud people.
- boxed 3y ago
Salgat 3y ago
Cultural appropriation is a very real thing, but the line between disrespectful/mocking and genuinely participating in a different culture can get gray. Unfortunately sometimes people take this understanding to the extreme.
- Always_Anon 3y ago
  >Cultural appropriation is a very real thing No it's not. It's about as real of a thing as the miasma theory. It's a idea that's been laundered through academia, but that doesn't make it anything but "well researched" fiction.
bryanrasmussen 3y ago
cultural appropriation is related to colonialism and post-colonialism, its relation to racism as a concept is really a function of how racism relates to the other two fields. Of course many terms mutate in meaning.
- JanSt 3y ago
  I have a university degree and I know all the words but I don't understand what you are trying to say. I'd say colonialism - at least from a european perspective - has a lot more to do with subjugating the identity of the colonized. That's the opposite of "cultural appropriation".
  - danaris 3y ago
    Oh, no; it's absolutely part of it. Cultural appropriation involves the dominant culture taking practices (including things like clothing, music, dance, etc, especially if it's part of a religious practice) of a colonized or marginalized culture, removing them from their cultural context, and using them for their own purposes. That's absolutely subjugating the identity of the colonized: it takes these parts of their identity and says "these are not yours; like everything else, they are ours, and we can do with them as we please."
    - JanSt 3y ago
      As I said, the european/my german perspective does not see this - at least what I have learned. An essential motive of colonialism was the missionization and education of the "primitive, uncivilized race". The Germans saw it as their task to civilize the colonial population by introducing them to German culture and the Christian religion. Other colonial powers, such as Great Britain or France, also followed this ideological motive and tried to educate the "inferior race" in their sense. Even if it would have been as you described: it would have nothing to do with me cooking african food because I love the taste. It's admiration, not theft.
      - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
pjmlp 3y ago
Apparently it is related to the whole Woke stuff, I also don't get it.
danaris 3y ago
The term "cultural appropriation" has been widely misused and diluted by people who don't really understand it. If I, a white man living in upstate NY, were to don Haudenosaunee ritual gear and record myself performing a traditional dance of theirs, that would be cultural appropriation. It refers to a dominant culture taking the trappings of a colonized or otherwise marginalized culture and using them for entertainment, for clout, or otherwise for our own purposes. On the other hand, if I were to travel to Japan, stay at a ryokan (traditional Japanese inn), and wear the simple kimono they provide for guests, or go to a kimono rental shop and rent a kimono from them for the day, that would be cultural appreciation, because that is something that the Japanese offer openly as a way for foreigners to connect with and understand their culture. In general, cooking and eating food of another culture in your own home cannot be cultural appropriation. (The only exception I can think of offhand is if the food is part of a closed religious practice of some sort.) Similarly with music—it's very unlikely to be cultural appropriation unless the music is part of a religious practice or being used disrespectfully. Hairstyles and clothing require a bit more nuance and can depend on the situation.
- mech987987 3y ago
  Among the people that care about cultural appropriation, there are so many different interpretations of which acts are offensive that it is a minefield of uncertainty. A lot of it feels to me like a vocal minority trying to railroad the discussion.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    people without power trying to flex that power. often people with tenuous connections to their culture. and then bougie middle-class white people getting upset about stuff they don't really understand
- junofan 3y ago
  Most ryokan did not want foreigners. The government had to crack down as part of their big tourism campaign.
- pipes 3y ago
notaustinpowers 3y ago
Some of the comments I see kinda get to the point, but not all the way. I've grown up in a fairly liberal part of the southern US, with a high African American population so these are the kind of conversations I encounter fairly often. Cultural appropriation is widely understood to be when someone in a position of power (most commonly a white person) utilizes something that is heavily related or socially seen as "part of" a minority community. For example, a white person wearing a Native American headdress. The issue that the minority community has with that is that they are routinely belittled or put down for participating in that part of their own community. For example, a white person wearing a Native American war bonnet to Coachella is appropriation, as war bonnets are culturally significant to Native Americans and you have to earn the ability to wear one. Meanwhile, many white Americans still put down Native American customs as "witchcraft". When it comes to food, music, or clothing, you're pretty good there. It's primarily just avoiding things that are culturally or spiritually significant to a culture. I.E., don't wear a headdress if you're not Native American, don't act like you're the best rapper ever if you grew up on a farm in Kansas, or say you make the best gumbo in the world if you've never even been to New Orleans.
- erkt 3y ago
  Seems like a fancy way to argue that it’s ethical to discriminate against white people because there is a historical debt to settle. Laying claim to culture is dumb, but everyone wants to feel special. One’s culture is less at risk from appropriation than from extinction as the world continues to trend towards an internet transmitted monoculture.
  - notaustinpowers 3y ago
    Also, not sure what discrimination against white people over a historical debt you're referring to. The appropriation statement is specifically about how a significant aspects of certain cultures are repressed in modern American society, but when they are utilized by the majority (in America, white Americans), they're celebrated as fashionable or acceptable. Laying claim to culture is dumb? That's kinda how things have been for the past thousands of years. A lot of these cultures have existed longer than many modern countries have. Yes, they do have risks from a cultural extinction, but watering a culture down or disconnecting it from it's roots doesn't save it from extinction. If anything, it advances that. Having people of that culture continue their cultural practices and protecting those practices, helps ensure that culture continues on. Yes, there can be an internet monoculture, but everyone is part of some subculture. And the subculture is what is being protected. These cultures have existed for hundreds or thousands of years, and they carry historical importance in understanding history and the evolution of society.
pipes 3y ago
It's not. It's completely insane. No cross pollination of ideas allowed, as that is appropriation too.
hnbad 3y ago
As a European, the closest you can usually get to this is when an American company decides to take your local custom or tradition and commercialize it without any understanding of its context. As a German the closest approximation is "Oktoberfest" which usually condenses all of Germany into an extremely tourist-y idea of Bavaria, but of course this is hard to even notice anymore because "we" are doing it to "ourselves": a lot of money is made by German companies selling "Oktoberfest" as a tourist-y fabrication. Now compare that with Hawai'i: instead of locals profitting of the local culture, Hawai'i was a kingdom colonized by the US and most of the tourism is done by mainland US companies rather than locals. The locals stand by as not only their land is sold off to rich Americans piece by piece but so is their culture and heritage. Religious traditions become scenary, sacred symbols become decoration and so on. It's not immoral to take inspiration from foreign food, music, architecture, dress or traditions and weave them into your own (or even lift them wholesale). But this isn't about an individual act, it's about something happening in a very one-sided power relation where the more powerful side not simply copies the original but replicates it out of context and then (intentionally or non) uses their power to popularize their hollow replica to the point that it replaces the authentic original and that original context is lost. Much like "racist" it's really more about the predisposition of a system towards emergent outcomes than individual belief or intent.
sudosysgen 3y ago
That's not the point of cultural appropriation. The point is people in the dominant culture using symbols of other cultures in a way that is socially acceptable for them to use, but non-socially acceptable for them to use. It's kinda fucked up if I can't wear my natural hair style or I'll get fired from my minimum wage job, but that isn't the case for someone of the dominant cultural class wearing the same hairstyle. If it's acceptable for everyone, then it isn't cultural appropriation, it's just culture sharing. It's when society takes it away from those who grew up with it but allow others to use it that it's cultural appropriation. It's a problematic/flawed concept, but that's the core idea and it makes some sense.
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by JanSt 3y ago

doublespanner 3y ago

Americans tied up so much of their image of a "good person" with not being racist, that when in environments with no way to demonstrate that they are not racist, they had to invent new racist things to oppose.

boppo1 3y ago
As a millennial, racism was taught to me in k-12 as being perhaps one of the fundamental forces of evil in the world; kind of an analog to what Christian students learn about Satan. As a result, people in my generation have moral codes that revolve around it, sometimes in twisted ways. Someone gets hit by a car but hey were racist? Had it coming.
- leoedin 3y ago
  This really hit it on the head. Racism was presented as the worst transgression anyone could make. Is it a surprise that when the generation raised in that environment reached adulthood - and realised that racism wasn't quite as dead as they thought, some of them would take their internalised morality to the extreme.
  - cutty_wise 3y ago
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traverseda 3y ago

The strongest form of that argument I know about is really about how capitalism is eating the world. It's a common refrain that "white people have no culture", but if you replace "white people" with "globalized capitalism" it starts making more sense. Everyone drinks the same can of coke and eats the same grocery store sushi. If you look closer at the woke crowd you'll see that grocery store sushi is pretty "white". One of the big things they're actually complaining about is enshittification of other cultures via capitalism. So the idea is that cultural appropriation is a way to keep capitalism from eating the world, to keep shitty grocery store sushi from competing with people who actually know what they're doing. To try and keep capitalists from pillaging every developing economy.

JanSt 3y ago
That's a really weak argument. 1) It has nothing to do with racism but uses the accusation of someone being racist as a tool to push an agenda. 2) Japan still makes good sushi. Supermarket sushi has not destroyed japanese sushi culture 3) I'd argue that capitalism has made the world better in pretty much every aspect. You could argue that capitalism has destroyed the environment, but the fact is that leftist countries have a history of being even more destructive. 4) "white people have no culture" But people all over the world drink coke, watch american movies, drink french wine, eat italian food, drive german cars and they seem to like their smartphones.
- traverseda 3y ago
  Yeah, but it's the strongest form of that argument I'm aware of.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  Yeah it's such a garbage phrase & concept. It's like goldilocks.. you can't like another cultural too much (cultural appropriation) or too little (racism). Often the statement is made by people who aren't even from the supposedly wronged culture. Please let me know how much and in what manner I am allowed to appreciate and participate in other cultures, Mr Cultural Gatekeeper. America is great because people come here, participate in and enhance the existing culture. My grandmother loved Chinese takeout cuz she was a Jew who grew up in NYC. My Southeast Asian in-laws love Italian food and always insist on taking us out to it. Also, hate to break it to people, but Southeast Asia has some really crazy localized Italian dishes involving ketchup & hot dogs. Yesterday for breakfast I had greek yogurt.. from a company founded by a Greek! Last night I had leftover Thai (made by Thais!) and stopped by a Jewish bakery owned by Muslims for dessert. Had a black&white cookie with some baklava. My parents who live outside of any big city, who have never been to Asia, now frequently go out for Pho. A couple generations ago Vietnam was synonymous with "bad war". For a GenZ American it's now synonymous with "good food". What's not to love here?

subjectsigma 3y ago

There’s quite a lot of Americans who don’t believe in any of that stuff.

boppo1 3y ago

>cultural appropriation As I remember it, this really took off in popular culture after native americans got sick of dude-bros/girls wearing war bonnets to music festivals. Around 2012-2014 it was a hugely popular piece. When 'cultural appropriation' came up then I mildly agreed with the sentiment because the look was pretty openly disrespectful. And then it expanded like kudzu until digital hairstyles became off-limits: https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/11/30/21734131/animal-crossing-space-buns-puffs-black-hairstyles-nintendo-switch https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2020/11/30/21734131/ani... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/kzncc1/animal_crossing_space_buns_how_an_animal_crossing/&ved=2ahUKEwiequqeoKCCAxU4AjQIHSPeDjUQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0lGxaxjktBKxN32-7h4FA6 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
as a native american myself, I have no recollection of anyone I know ever taking issue with this. I don't doubt there was someone somewhere complaining, but similar to the rename of the washington redkins, most of us didn't give a shit. The most grumbling I've ever heard around this is complaints that pow-wow's are too commercialized but, if anything, that was criticizing our own tribes.
- eschaton 3y ago
  The popular phrase was “my culture is not a costume” at the time. I also remember a bit of encouragement to distinguish between native and native-inspired fashion on the one hand and mimicry and stereotyping on the other.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    I don't doubt there were people making noise, but I live in a state that's known for Native Americans (I'm sure you can guess) and it just wasn't a concern for anyone I know. It's the old adage about a few loud people.
boxed 3y ago

Salgat 3y ago

Cultural appropriation is a very real thing, but the line between disrespectful/mocking and genuinely participating in a different culture can get gray. Unfortunately sometimes people take this understanding to the extreme.

Always_Anon 3y ago
>Cultural appropriation is a very real thing No it's not. It's about as real of a thing as the miasma theory. It's a idea that's been laundered through academia, but that doesn't make it anything but "well researched" fiction.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago

cultural appropriation is related to colonialism and post-colonialism, its relation to racism as a concept is really a function of how racism relates to the other two fields. Of course many terms mutate in meaning.

JanSt 3y ago
I have a university degree and I know all the words but I don't understand what you are trying to say. I'd say colonialism - at least from a european perspective - has a lot more to do with subjugating the identity of the colonized. That's the opposite of "cultural appropriation".
- danaris 3y ago
  Oh, no; it's absolutely part of it. Cultural appropriation involves the dominant culture taking practices (including things like clothing, music, dance, etc, especially if it's part of a religious practice) of a colonized or marginalized culture, removing them from their cultural context, and using them for their own purposes. That's absolutely subjugating the identity of the colonized: it takes these parts of their identity and says "these are not yours; like everything else, they are ours, and we can do with them as we please."
  - JanSt 3y ago
    As I said, the european/my german perspective does not see this - at least what I have learned. An essential motive of colonialism was the missionization and education of the "primitive, uncivilized race". The Germans saw it as their task to civilize the colonial population by introducing them to German culture and the Christian religion. Other colonial powers, such as Great Britain or France, also followed this ideological motive and tried to educate the "inferior race" in their sense. Even if it would have been as you described: it would have nothing to do with me cooking african food because I love the taste. It's admiration, not theft.
    - bryanrasmussen 3y ago

pjmlp 3y ago

Apparently it is related to the whole Woke stuff, I also don't get it.

danaris 3y ago

The term "cultural appropriation" has been widely misused and diluted by people who don't really understand it. If I, a white man living in upstate NY, were to don Haudenosaunee ritual gear and record myself performing a traditional dance of theirs, that would be cultural appropriation. It refers to a dominant culture taking the trappings of a colonized or otherwise marginalized culture and using them for entertainment, for clout, or otherwise for our own purposes. On the other hand, if I were to travel to Japan, stay at a ryokan (traditional Japanese inn), and wear the simple kimono they provide for guests, or go to a kimono rental shop and rent a kimono from them for the day, that would be cultural appreciation, because that is something that the Japanese offer openly as a way for foreigners to connect with and understand their culture. In general, cooking and eating food of another culture in your own home cannot be cultural appropriation. (The only exception I can think of offhand is if the food is part of a closed religious practice of some sort.) Similarly with music—it's very unlikely to be cultural appropriation unless the music is part of a religious practice or being used disrespectfully. Hairstyles and clothing require a bit more nuance and can depend on the situation.

mech987987 3y ago
Among the people that care about cultural appropriation, there are so many different interpretations of which acts are offensive that it is a minefield of uncertainty. A lot of it feels to me like a vocal minority trying to railroad the discussion.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  people without power trying to flex that power. often people with tenuous connections to their culture. and then bougie middle-class white people getting upset about stuff they don't really understand
junofan 3y ago
Most ryokan did not want foreigners. The government had to crack down as part of their big tourism campaign.
pipes 3y ago

notaustinpowers 3y ago

Some of the comments I see kinda get to the point, but not all the way. I've grown up in a fairly liberal part of the southern US, with a high African American population so these are the kind of conversations I encounter fairly often. Cultural appropriation is widely understood to be when someone in a position of power (most commonly a white person) utilizes something that is heavily related or socially seen as "part of" a minority community. For example, a white person wearing a Native American headdress. The issue that the minority community has with that is that they are routinely belittled or put down for participating in that part of their own community. For example, a white person wearing a Native American war bonnet to Coachella is appropriation, as war bonnets are culturally significant to Native Americans and you have to earn the ability to wear one. Meanwhile, many white Americans still put down Native American customs as "witchcraft". When it comes to food, music, or clothing, you're pretty good there. It's primarily just avoiding things that are culturally or spiritually significant to a culture. I.E., don't wear a headdress if you're not Native American, don't act like you're the best rapper ever if you grew up on a farm in Kansas, or say you make the best gumbo in the world if you've never even been to New Orleans.

erkt 3y ago
Seems like a fancy way to argue that it’s ethical to discriminate against white people because there is a historical debt to settle. Laying claim to culture is dumb, but everyone wants to feel special. One’s culture is less at risk from appropriation than from extinction as the world continues to trend towards an internet transmitted monoculture.
- notaustinpowers 3y ago
  Also, not sure what discrimination against white people over a historical debt you're referring to. The appropriation statement is specifically about how a significant aspects of certain cultures are repressed in modern American society, but when they are utilized by the majority (in America, white Americans), they're celebrated as fashionable or acceptable. Laying claim to culture is dumb? That's kinda how things have been for the past thousands of years. A lot of these cultures have existed longer than many modern countries have. Yes, they do have risks from a cultural extinction, but watering a culture down or disconnecting it from it's roots doesn't save it from extinction. If anything, it advances that. Having people of that culture continue their cultural practices and protecting those practices, helps ensure that culture continues on. Yes, there can be an internet monoculture, but everyone is part of some subculture. And the subculture is what is being protected. These cultures have existed for hundreds or thousands of years, and they carry historical importance in understanding history and the evolution of society.

pipes 3y ago

It's not. It's completely insane. No cross pollination of ideas allowed, as that is appropriation too.

hnbad 3y ago

As a European, the closest you can usually get to this is when an American company decides to take your local custom or tradition and commercialize it without any understanding of its context. As a German the closest approximation is "Oktoberfest" which usually condenses all of Germany into an extremely tourist-y idea of Bavaria, but of course this is hard to even notice anymore because "we" are doing it to "ourselves": a lot of money is made by German companies selling "Oktoberfest" as a tourist-y fabrication. Now compare that with Hawai'i: instead of locals profitting of the local culture, Hawai'i was a kingdom colonized by the US and most of the tourism is done by mainland US companies rather than locals. The locals stand by as not only their land is sold off to rich Americans piece by piece but so is their culture and heritage. Religious traditions become scenary, sacred symbols become decoration and so on. It's not immoral to take inspiration from foreign food, music, architecture, dress or traditions and weave them into your own (or even lift them wholesale). But this isn't about an individual act, it's about something happening in a very one-sided power relation where the more powerful side not simply copies the original but replicates it out of context and then (intentionally or non) uses their power to popularize their hollow replica to the point that it replaces the authentic original and that original context is lost. Much like "racist" it's really more about the predisposition of a system towards emergent outcomes than individual belief or intent.

sudosysgen 3y ago

That's not the point of cultural appropriation. The point is people in the dominant culture using symbols of other cultures in a way that is socially acceptable for them to use, but non-socially acceptable for them to use. It's kinda fucked up if I can't wear my natural hair style or I'll get fired from my minimum wage job, but that isn't the case for someone of the dominant cultural class wearing the same hairstyle. If it's acceptable for everyone, then it isn't cultural appropriation, it's just culture sharing. It's when society takes it away from those who grew up with it but allow others to use it that it's cultural appropriation. It's a problematic/flawed concept, but that's the core idea and it makes some sense.

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