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This reminds me of an interesting piece I read last month, which looks at one particular luxury belief that is especially divisive right now, and criticizes it

This reminds me of an interesting piece I read last month, which looks at one particular luxury belief that is especially divisive right now, and criticizes it with regards to class: https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/25/trans-the-new-ideology-of-the-ruling-class https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/25/trans-the-new-ideol... Like those described in the article above, this is very much a middle-class movement whose proponents have seized the opportunity to sneer at working-class people as bigoted, stupid and reactionary.

nyanpasu64 3y ago
Tell that to the trans people I've met who were physically beaten and mentally abused by authoritarian parents, unable to move out or find secure housing due to burnout, mental health disabilities, and a lack of aid or sustainable jobs, in both Western and third-world countries.
- lupire 3y ago
  According to the article, I rightly choose not to believe they exist because they are inconvenient and I am too busy working to accept such an inconvenience. The same logic refuted abolitionism.
- deleted 3y ago
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- TerryGrampl 3y ago
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  - throw6746 3y ago
    At least it was easy to see you had no interest to present factual arguments and just regurgitated what you read online. For somebody asking empathy about your childhood, you seem to give very little to others.
    - TerryGrampl 3y ago
      My empathy is with women who are being forced to give up their female-only spaces, where they are the most vulnerable, to include men who demand to be there too. It's unacceptable regardless of if these men had difficult childhoods or not. I wouldn't do it, most other men wouldn't either, so neither should they.
zigman1 3y ago
> seized the opportunity to sneer at working-class people as bigoted, stupid and reactionary This is incredibly ignorant view which does not understand the trauma someone can endure when not being allowed or experience not only discrimination, but physical abuse and threats for being who he or she feels is. I wonder if people said the same thing when screaming for equal rights or other things related to racism and homophobia. That it is only opportunity to sneer at working-class people as bigoted, stupid and reactionary. The approach might not always be the best, but at the end people want others to be what they really are, no one is screaming to shot or lynch anyone.
- subjectsigma 3y ago
  https://youtu.be/lsw3pdpxf64?si=Nm9jNS9jeqR9eQA4 https://youtu.be/lsw3pdpxf64?si=Nm9jNS9jeqR9eQA4
  - zigman1 3y ago
    What are you trying to say? I can also cherry-pick one of numerous alt right people storming cities with guns and assault rifles, calling for violence.
    - TerryGrampl 3y ago
      The man in that video spent 30 years in prison for kidnap, torture, rape and attempted murder, and is threatening violence to women now he's been released. He's says he's a woman. Would you find it acceptable for him to use a women's refuge, be incarcerated in a women's prison, undress himself in a women's changing room, and so on, based on his self-declaration of womanhood? If yes, then you'd be indulging in a luxury belief.
    - subjectsigma 3y ago
      > no one is screaming to shot or lynch anyone > no one is screaming to … lynch anyone > no one
- whelp_24 3y ago
mock-possum 3y ago
> Yes, class domination has had a makeover. It wears bad wigs and stilettos now Jesus Christ that’s bad, and it’s right up front in this article. Really makes it obvious the kind of audience this is written for. There’s really only a particular kind of person that thinks it’s funny to tease trans people who don’t pass. > Civil servants who surely have better things to do are being given LGBTQ+ education and shown training videos about how sinful it is to stop a ‘transwoman’ – ie, a fella – from using the women’s loo. Wow it just keeps going, it rolls straight into proudly misgendering trans people, wow wow wow. And you actually want other people to associate this kind of bullshit with you? You recommend it, you link directly to it? For shame.
- TerryGrampl 3y ago
  Yes I enjoyed the author's plain speaking and his use of irreverant humour to make serious points.

nyanpasu64 3y ago

Tell that to the trans people I've met who were physically beaten and mentally abused by authoritarian parents, unable to move out or find secure housing due to burnout, mental health disabilities, and a lack of aid or sustainable jobs, in both Western and third-world countries.

lupire 3y ago
According to the article, I rightly choose not to believe they exist because they are inconvenient and I am too busy working to accept such an inconvenience. The same logic refuted abolitionism.
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TerryGrampl 3y ago
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- throw6746 3y ago
  At least it was easy to see you had no interest to present factual arguments and just regurgitated what you read online. For somebody asking empathy about your childhood, you seem to give very little to others.
  - TerryGrampl 3y ago
    My empathy is with women who are being forced to give up their female-only spaces, where they are the most vulnerable, to include men who demand to be there too. It's unacceptable regardless of if these men had difficult childhoods or not. I wouldn't do it, most other men wouldn't either, so neither should they.

zigman1 3y ago

> seized the opportunity to sneer at working-class people as bigoted, stupid and reactionary This is incredibly ignorant view which does not understand the trauma someone can endure when not being allowed or experience not only discrimination, but physical abuse and threats for being who he or she feels is. I wonder if people said the same thing when screaming for equal rights or other things related to racism and homophobia. That it is only opportunity to sneer at working-class people as bigoted, stupid and reactionary. The approach might not always be the best, but at the end people want others to be what they really are, no one is screaming to shot or lynch anyone.

subjectsigma 3y ago
https://youtu.be/lsw3pdpxf64?si=Nm9jNS9jeqR9eQA4 https://youtu.be/lsw3pdpxf64?si=Nm9jNS9jeqR9eQA4
- zigman1 3y ago
  What are you trying to say? I can also cherry-pick one of numerous alt right people storming cities with guns and assault rifles, calling for violence.
  - TerryGrampl 3y ago
    The man in that video spent 30 years in prison for kidnap, torture, rape and attempted murder, and is threatening violence to women now he's been released. He's says he's a woman. Would you find it acceptable for him to use a women's refuge, be incarcerated in a women's prison, undress himself in a women's changing room, and so on, based on his self-declaration of womanhood? If yes, then you'd be indulging in a luxury belief.
  - subjectsigma 3y ago
    > no one is screaming to shot or lynch anyone > no one is screaming to … lynch anyone > no one
whelp_24 3y ago

mock-possum 3y ago

> Yes, class domination has had a makeover. It wears bad wigs and stilettos now Jesus Christ that’s bad, and it’s right up front in this article. Really makes it obvious the kind of audience this is written for. There’s really only a particular kind of person that thinks it’s funny to tease trans people who don’t pass. > Civil servants who surely have better things to do are being given LGBTQ+ education and shown training videos about how sinful it is to stop a ‘transwoman’ – ie, a fella – from using the women’s loo. Wow it just keeps going, it rolls straight into proudly misgendering trans people, wow wow wow. And you actually want other people to associate this kind of bullshit with you? You recommend it, you link directly to it? For shame.

TerryGrampl 3y ago
Yes I enjoyed the author's plain speaking and his use of irreverant humour to make serious points.