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So should they just give up on cheating devices?
by baby 3y ago
So should they just give up on cheating devices?
- squigz 3y agoWhen it comes at the expense of legitimate user freedom, and is arguably useless? Probably.
- endisneigh 3y agoBuy a gaming pc if you want freedom
- solardev 3y agoWhat's the difference? An Xbox is essentially one already.
- endisneigh 3y agoYou don’t see the difference between an Xbox and a gaming pc running windows?
- solardev 3y agoNot really? I bought an Xbox when I couldn't afford a gaming PC, but beyond that, they are very similar. Especially these days. Microsoft even sells a Xbox ultimate pass that works on PC and lets you play or stream many cross platform games. You can also play them on geforce now. Xbox to me is just a cheap gaming PC with a kiosk OS.
- ToucanLoucan 3y agoSure there's a difference, an XBox sucks. Besides that? Not particularly. The input devices are worse, the underlying hardware and software is worse, the fact it only supports a measly 60hz at 4K^1 blows. I used to love XBoxes and have many great memories of my original and 360, but ever since the XBox One it's just been a bloated, slow PC with a bad interface front for Windows. I own one because occasionally I like to play Halo 5. That's literally it. [1]: What Microsoft calls 4K which is like 2560x1440 upscaled slightly on the vast majority of games.*
- JohnBooty 3y agoI'm not gonna disagree with your reasons for liking or disliking a gaming console. Gaming consoles are for fun, your preferences don't have to make logical sense. But... but ever since the XBox One it's just been a bloated, slow PC with a bad interface front for Windows. Huh? The original XBox and 360 were also slow (relative to higher-end PCs of their day) systems running Windows variants.
- ToucanLoucan 3y agoYes but they didn't feel slow. The One does and so do it's iterations. They all run slow, download slow, and just feel sluggish to use. Even the Switch which is INCREDIBLY limited on the hardware front feels snappy and responsive. Every console has always had worse hardware compared to a PC, that's a given, but almost all of them don't feel that way because the developers know the platform and can squeeze every last cycle out of the hardware. The One has NEVER felt nice to use. Ever.
- JohnBooty 3y agoThat makes more sense, I guess. I've never used an XBOne so I don't have an opinion as to how responsive it feels.
- ToucanLoucan 3y agoIt is truly awful. Menus take an atrocious amount of time to load, everything is buried several screens deep into massive UI elements that usually amount to huge boxes of solid color, the home screen itself seems to lag quite badly which is just embarrassing for a device that can also run Halo 5 at 2K/60hz without issue, is choking to death on a bunch of fucking boxes.
- JohnBooty 3y agoYikes! And also, I really appreciate the clarification.
- LightHugger 3y agoyou are on hacker news
- squigz 3y agoI often make the mistake of thinking HN is populated mostly by ... well, hackers. While there's plenty of us here, most users are from the startup crowd, where "hacker" is more of a buzzword than anything. Of course this makes sense, it's just something that slips my mind every once in a while.
- LightHugger 3y agoThe dissonance is really something at times. I get facepalms, giggles, sighs. I haven't made it to the acceptance stage yet and I have no plans to advance to it soon.
- squigz 3y agoGood point. I forgot Microsoft doesn't have any stake in that market and would never do anything to infringe PC user freedom.
- endisneigh 3y agoYou can play games on Linux.
- paulryanrogers 3y agoSome games. Sometimes. Depending on the game, Linux distro, library versions, hardware driver support, etc. I can also bake my own bread. But I'm tired of all the tweaking and debugging at the end of the day.
- Sharparam 3y agoMost games. Most of the time. You make it sound like there's only a small subsection of games that can be played on Linux when that hasn't been true for some time now. There definitely still exist games that have issues running on Linux, but they are few and far between now.
- Karunamon 3y agoQuality versus quantity problem. The most popular games not made by Valve tend to not work at all, and a quick look at Proton DB shows of the top 100, only about 20% are in the "no issues" (platinum) category. Gold is "playable", and from experience, there is a lot of variability there. It includes problems that would lead to refunds and bad reviews on the original platform.
- lobocinza 3y agoGold is generally only minor issues. I can play most of the games in my library.
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- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y agoMicrosoft is hard at work trying to control the software you put on it through code signing in the form of Secure Boot and signatures on user software. We haven't quite got Authorized peripherals excepting HDCP in the bluray-to-display path. You have kernel level anti cheat mechanisms there at the expense of private servers.
- tiahura 3y agoMicrosoft is hard at work trying to control the software you put on it Someone should probably tell the Visual Studio teams.
- fennecfoxy 3y agoI mean Xbox is already a controlled platform, you can't run unsigned code, etc.
- baby 3y agoThat really sounds like the argument of someone that never plays multiplayer games online. There’s no way you would say that otherwise.
- squigz 3y agoI play online games every day, manage an EVE Online corp and general gaming community, so... maybe I just don't agree with you?
- permo-w 3y agoin the hundreds of hours I've played of multiplayer console FPSs, which are what these controllers are marketed towards[1], I think I saw a player with a modded controller once. yes they got an advantage from it, but FPSs are mostly about how fast you can aim not how fast you can shoot, so it wasn't exactly game-breaking also in Call of Duty at least, often semi-auto fire rates are capped at a human level anyway even further, as far as I can see, you can't buy one of these controllers cheaply direct from china as you might expect to. from searching aliexpress and temu, I can only see a chipset for sale. it looks like your only option is to build one yourself or buy one custom built from a specialist site, but neither option is cheap and easy IANAL so I could be wrong about this, but I'm reasonably sure third party controller vendors operate in a somewhat legally grey area and could be exposing themselves to a nasty lawsuit if Microsoft or Sony took exception to them, which mitigates the problem basically it's barely a problem and this kind of action from microsoft is classic "product in decline" behaviour [1] - https://megamodz.com/instructions/ps4/mods https://megamodz.com/instructions/ps4/mods
- mountainb 3y agoSo, it is possible that the manufacturers are infringing in some way, shape, or form, but collecting a judgment on it or enforcing an injunction against a Chinese manufacturer or marketplace is not going to go anywhere. With software cheats, the lawsuits are usually over some kind of DMCA copyright protection circumvention, tortious interference, and the various generic unfair competition claims. For controller stuff and in certain software claims there might also be some patent issues there to raise in addition to those. Generally, the guys operating out of China etc. are not going to care that much because only their US-based accounts are going to be at the mercy of US courts. It is not even that straightforward to enforce US judgements in EU countries for various reasons (e.g. in Germany, to enforce the judgment, Germany must have close analogue of the underlying claim under its own law, and the German courts do not construe this liberally). I disagree that this is not a big problem. The cheat situation in online gaming probably worse now than it has ever been because the cheat providers have really succeeded in making them easy to use and access for the average user. IMO the companies brought it on themselves to some extent by breaking up the old decentralized server model, which was harder to use, but also was able to take advantage of massive numbers of volunteer moderators to regulate cheating and other bad behavior.
- katbyte 3y agoShould have done this at the start of this generation before people invested in hardware which is now e waste