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Love the pic of the black and white dev. Got to have that diversity, baby! Doesn't matter that only 8% of tech employees are black. No, in corpo-magic-fucking-p

Love the pic of the black and white dev. Got to have that diversity, baby! Doesn't matter that only 8% of tech employees are black. No, in corpo-magic-fucking-pixie-bullshit-land they make up 50%.

DonHopkins 3y ago
The silly things that you choose to let trigger you reflect your intolerance and bigotry. One of the many benefits of representing people of different races is that it infuriates and tricks hateful irrational racists like you into revealing themselves for who they really are. Thanks for letting us know! Now we'll be sure to downvote, report, and ignore all your other worthless comments and opinions in the future. I'm sure your persecution complex and victimhood fetish will enjoy the consequences of your own words and actions.
- Uptrenda 3y ago
  No, I stand by what I said and it isn't racist. Though I can see why you think it is. I don't have a problem with black people in tech. But trying to paint a false image to make something seem different to reality? Yeah, that's fucked up. If we based our idea of the world on corporate branding and libtard double-speak it often shoots us in the foot. For example, these images suggest a perfect harmony of black and white representation in tech. Given that this is the case: why do we need to focus on hiring more under-represented minorities? If the world is already perfect (and yeah - tech people love this) why do anything? It feels just as good to say it is and do nothing.
  - wenebego 3y ago
    If they didnt include a black person, wouldnt that also be false image because not all people in tech are white? Im sure you would be just aa upset in that case, right?
    - DonHopkins 3y ago
      I bet he thinks it's impossible for Floyd-Steinberg error diffusion dithering to represent a picture that is not completely black or white. Floyd–Steinberg dithering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd%E2%80%93Steinberg_dithering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd%E2%80%93Steinberg_dither... Ditherpunk — The article I wish I had about monochrome image dithering: https://surma.dev/things/ditherpunk/ https://surma.dev/things/ditherpunk/
    - Uptrenda 3y ago
      Bro, every single company does this forced diverse branding. The reality is: if you're a woman or a minority at a tech company you're going to feel lonely as hell. Am I being racist by saying that too, or am I being realistic? Companies love to try to represent themselves as being perfect harmonies where everyone is welcome. But at the companies themselves the distribution of who works there does not reflect their image. I also think it's ridiculous how often this false, harmonious, and overly diverse multi-cultural image is forced on us. To see an extreme example - look at Netflix. Every single relationship on a netflix series is between people from different races and/or genders. Now I'm not saying this is bad. But I am saying it doesn't reflect what happens in the real world. I am also not implying that people ought to avoid relations between other cultures. But I think the reason why we more often see people from similar backgrounds in a relationship is quite frigging simple: THEY HAVE MORE IN COMMON. It's nothing to do with racism. People naturally form cliques with those who have more in common. So yeah. My basic view is that I refuse to accept warped portrayals of reality. I think it does more harm than good and actually undermines any positive intentions. It also leads to the same kind of virtue signaling witch hunting typified by some of the prior comments to my reply. In which everyone is so scared of being called racist they're willing to ignore reality. Since I'm not such a person I refuse to try walk around egg shells put fourth by people trying to avoid offending anyone. Ultimately, such an approach is dishonest and probably unintentionally isolating towards those it seeks to be inclusive towards.
      - DonHopkins 3y ago
        >Now I'm not saying this is bad. But ... Stop right there. The correct spelling is: "I'm not racist, but ...": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_not_racist,_but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_not_racist,_but... >I'm not racist, but... is a phrase that often precedes a racist argument and provides a "veneer of political correctness".[1][2][3] Now look who's trying to be politically correct. >Interpretations: The phrase has been described as "hypocritical" and "apologetic". Eduardo Bonilla-Silva and Tyrone Forman argued that it is used by "the new racists, all the nice Whites".[4][5][6] Alana Lentin, in a op-ed for ABC, cited the phrase as an example of "how denying racism reproduces its violence".[7] Deutsche Welle's Torsten Landsberg and Rachel Stewart wrote that the refrain is "usually followed by an opinion that belies at best ignorance and at worst a deep-seated prejudice or even racially fueled hatred".[8] Ibram X. Kendi felt that its usage is an ineffective means of combating racism.[9] Your racism is a staggeringly stupid hill to bring up out of the blue, then chose to die on. There are two fucking wars that could lead to WWIII going on in Ukraine and Israel, and an anti semitic racist with 91 felony criminal indictments is running for president while his minions are trying to shut the government down, yet a photo of black people and white people working together is most important thing you can think of to hijack technical discussions and whine about? Stop trying to derail technical discussions about automatic dead code cleanup or any other topic into hysterical angry rants about your racism and your deep irrational resentment about pictures of black people and white people working together. We don't care, and it's off topic. Not to mention it's supremely ironic that a foaming-at-the-mouth crypto-bro get-rich-quick pyramid scheme shill and mathemagical pseudo-scientist like yourself would claim they refuse to accept warped portrayals of reality. Good luck with your grandiose project to compress random numbers, prove mathematicians and physicists have no idea what they're talking about, and invent perpetual motion machines. An algorithm for random data compression, code and paper by Matthew Roberts matthew@roberts.pm: https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/an-algorithm-for-random-data-compression-2bdd8fd28ae34f47c1a40179e3a5396b8b5ad1cb https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/an-algorithm-for-r... >I've been working on a method to compress random data and I think I may have something interesting to share now. I didn't expect to make much progress on this problem because I've been told it's impossible. But after dividing the problem into manageable pieces, I feel ready to share my solution with you all. >On a high-level part of what makes compressing random data, a difficult problem is how poorly equipped mathematics seems to be when it comes to randomness. Most of the time you can think of math as dealing with concrete, defined objects. That's what makes it a great tool for understanding the universe but a poor one for generating randomness. >[...] Read Full Article: https://web.archive.org/web/20210416013853/https://roberts.pm/index.php?p=article&path=rand&category=cryptography https://web.archive.org/web/20210416013853/https://roberts.p...
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    How do you even know the race of the people who wrote the article or the code, and why would you deny them the right to represent themselves, or anyone else they want to? And yes, you're racist, and we know you are because you already told us so with your own words. Yeah, that's fucked up, but that was your lifestyle choice to believe that kind of stuff, and to so proudly interrupt the conversation we were having about automating dead code cleanup to tell everyone about your racism. You're only digging yourself deeper the way you're trying to deny it, showing again how furious a harmless picture of a black man and a white man working together makes you feel. If you didn't want people to know how you really felt, and what really gets your goat, even more than racism itself, you shouldn't have told everyone, then tried to do a 180! Just don't say anything like that in the first place, and grind your angry gears about how oppressed you are by inclusivity quietly to yourself. We don't care, and it's totally off-topic.
tessierashpool 3y ago
there is something oddly fitting, even weirdly symmetrical, in the fact that this disproportionately intense reaction is most intense about things being disproportionate anyway, look, if you get this mad because you see a picture of a black person, and then you write a big comment about how you're not racist, that big comment might not be as accurate as you think it is because you got really mad
- ljm 3y ago
  It’s not the first time I’ve seen this kind of comment on HN lately, including ‘anti-woke’ sentiments.
BoppreH 3y ago
Honest question: what is the problem with unrealistic demographic representation? I also roll my eyes when I see a stock photo of a "dev team" comprised only of attractive people in suits smiling with perfect teeth. But this isn't McDonald's, I'm not paying for what's in the picture. It's also not messing with language and habits, like "person-in-the-middle" or "allowlist". So what's the problem? There's also the matter of what aspect people notice and complain. Nobody ever mentions when illustrations depict left handed people (~10%) or red heads (<2%). That's why other comments call you racist. But I understand your complaint is against the pressure to depict diversity, and not that the illustration has black people, correct? For what it's worth, I find these "woke illustrations" awkward but useful. They signal that the team cares at least a little, and is likely to be accommodating of differences and not blatantly prejudiced. It might also be too political-minded and over eager with PC language, but that's better than being passed over for a promotion because of your ethnicity.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  On that note, I hope you enjoy Tim Minchin's song "Prejudice", about the power of language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw Getting offended at illustrations representing black and white people working together is the kind of dead code we need to eliminate.

Love the pic of the black and white dev. Got to have that diversity, baby! Doesn't matter that only 8% of tech employees are black. No, in corpo-magic-fucking-pixie-bullshit-land they make up 50%.

DonHopkins 3y ago

The silly things that you choose to let trigger you reflect your intolerance and bigotry. One of the many benefits of representing people of different races is that it infuriates and tricks hateful irrational racists like you into revealing themselves for who they really are. Thanks for letting us know! Now we'll be sure to downvote, report, and ignore all your other worthless comments and opinions in the future. I'm sure your persecution complex and victimhood fetish will enjoy the consequences of your own words and actions.

Uptrenda 3y ago
No, I stand by what I said and it isn't racist. Though I can see why you think it is. I don't have a problem with black people in tech. But trying to paint a false image to make something seem different to reality? Yeah, that's fucked up. If we based our idea of the world on corporate branding and libtard double-speak it often shoots us in the foot. For example, these images suggest a perfect harmony of black and white representation in tech. Given that this is the case: why do we need to focus on hiring more under-represented minorities? If the world is already perfect (and yeah - tech people love this) why do anything? It feels just as good to say it is and do nothing.
- wenebego 3y ago
  If they didnt include a black person, wouldnt that also be false image because not all people in tech are white? Im sure you would be just aa upset in that case, right?
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    I bet he thinks it's impossible for Floyd-Steinberg error diffusion dithering to represent a picture that is not completely black or white. Floyd–Steinberg dithering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd%E2%80%93Steinberg_dithering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd%E2%80%93Steinberg_dither... Ditherpunk — The article I wish I had about monochrome image dithering: https://surma.dev/things/ditherpunk/ https://surma.dev/things/ditherpunk/
  - Uptrenda 3y ago
    Bro, every single company does this forced diverse branding. The reality is: if you're a woman or a minority at a tech company you're going to feel lonely as hell. Am I being racist by saying that too, or am I being realistic? Companies love to try to represent themselves as being perfect harmonies where everyone is welcome. But at the companies themselves the distribution of who works there does not reflect their image. I also think it's ridiculous how often this false, harmonious, and overly diverse multi-cultural image is forced on us. To see an extreme example - look at Netflix. Every single relationship on a netflix series is between people from different races and/or genders. Now I'm not saying this is bad. But I am saying it doesn't reflect what happens in the real world. I am also not implying that people ought to avoid relations between other cultures. But I think the reason why we more often see people from similar backgrounds in a relationship is quite frigging simple: THEY HAVE MORE IN COMMON. It's nothing to do with racism. People naturally form cliques with those who have more in common. So yeah. My basic view is that I refuse to accept warped portrayals of reality. I think it does more harm than good and actually undermines any positive intentions. It also leads to the same kind of virtue signaling witch hunting typified by some of the prior comments to my reply. In which everyone is so scared of being called racist they're willing to ignore reality. Since I'm not such a person I refuse to try walk around egg shells put fourth by people trying to avoid offending anyone. Ultimately, such an approach is dishonest and probably unintentionally isolating towards those it seeks to be inclusive towards.
    - DonHopkins 3y ago
      >Now I'm not saying this is bad. But ... Stop right there. The correct spelling is: "I'm not racist, but ...": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_not_racist,_but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_not_racist,_but... >I'm not racist, but... is a phrase that often precedes a racist argument and provides a "veneer of political correctness".[1][2][3] Now look who's trying to be politically correct. >Interpretations: The phrase has been described as "hypocritical" and "apologetic". Eduardo Bonilla-Silva and Tyrone Forman argued that it is used by "the new racists, all the nice Whites".[4][5][6] Alana Lentin, in a op-ed for ABC, cited the phrase as an example of "how denying racism reproduces its violence".[7] Deutsche Welle's Torsten Landsberg and Rachel Stewart wrote that the refrain is "usually followed by an opinion that belies at best ignorance and at worst a deep-seated prejudice or even racially fueled hatred".[8] Ibram X. Kendi felt that its usage is an ineffective means of combating racism.[9] Your racism is a staggeringly stupid hill to bring up out of the blue, then chose to die on. There are two fucking wars that could lead to WWIII going on in Ukraine and Israel, and an anti semitic racist with 91 felony criminal indictments is running for president while his minions are trying to shut the government down, yet a photo of black people and white people working together is most important thing you can think of to hijack technical discussions and whine about? Stop trying to derail technical discussions about automatic dead code cleanup or any other topic into hysterical angry rants about your racism and your deep irrational resentment about pictures of black people and white people working together. We don't care, and it's off topic. Not to mention it's supremely ironic that a foaming-at-the-mouth crypto-bro get-rich-quick pyramid scheme shill and mathemagical pseudo-scientist like yourself would claim they refuse to accept warped portrayals of reality. Good luck with your grandiose project to compress random numbers, prove mathematicians and physicists have no idea what they're talking about, and invent perpetual motion machines. An algorithm for random data compression, code and paper by Matthew Roberts matthew@roberts.pm: https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/an-algorithm-for-random-data-compression-2bdd8fd28ae34f47c1a40179e3a5396b8b5ad1cb https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/an-algorithm-for-r... >I've been working on a method to compress random data and I think I may have something interesting to share now. I didn't expect to make much progress on this problem because I've been told it's impossible. But after dividing the problem into manageable pieces, I feel ready to share my solution with you all. >On a high-level part of what makes compressing random data, a difficult problem is how poorly equipped mathematics seems to be when it comes to randomness. Most of the time you can think of math as dealing with concrete, defined objects. That's what makes it a great tool for understanding the universe but a poor one for generating randomness. >[...] Read Full Article: https://web.archive.org/web/20210416013853/https://roberts.pm/index.php?p=article&path=rand&category=cryptography https://web.archive.org/web/20210416013853/https://roberts.p...
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  How do you even know the race of the people who wrote the article or the code, and why would you deny them the right to represent themselves, or anyone else they want to? And yes, you're racist, and we know you are because you already told us so with your own words. Yeah, that's fucked up, but that was your lifestyle choice to believe that kind of stuff, and to so proudly interrupt the conversation we were having about automating dead code cleanup to tell everyone about your racism. You're only digging yourself deeper the way you're trying to deny it, showing again how furious a harmless picture of a black man and a white man working together makes you feel. If you didn't want people to know how you really felt, and what really gets your goat, even more than racism itself, you shouldn't have told everyone, then tried to do a 180! Just don't say anything like that in the first place, and grind your angry gears about how oppressed you are by inclusivity quietly to yourself. We don't care, and it's totally off-topic.

tessierashpool 3y ago

there is something oddly fitting, even weirdly symmetrical, in the fact that this disproportionately intense reaction is most intense about things being disproportionate anyway, look, if you get this mad because you see a picture of a black person, and then you write a big comment about how you're not racist, that big comment might not be as accurate as you think it is because you got really mad

ljm 3y ago
It’s not the first time I’ve seen this kind of comment on HN lately, including ‘anti-woke’ sentiments.

BoppreH 3y ago

Honest question: what is the problem with unrealistic demographic representation? I also roll my eyes when I see a stock photo of a "dev team" comprised only of attractive people in suits smiling with perfect teeth. But this isn't McDonald's, I'm not paying for what's in the picture. It's also not messing with language and habits, like "person-in-the-middle" or "allowlist". So what's the problem? There's also the matter of what aspect people notice and complain. Nobody ever mentions when illustrations depict left handed people (~10%) or red heads (<2%). That's why other comments call you racist. But I understand your complaint is against the pressure to depict diversity, and not that the illustration has black people, correct? For what it's worth, I find these "woke illustrations" awkward but useful. They signal that the team cares at least a little, and is likely to be accommodating of differences and not blatantly prejudiced. It might also be too political-minded and over eager with PC language, but that's better than being passed over for a promotion because of your ethnicity.

DonHopkins 3y ago
On that note, I hope you enjoy Tim Minchin's song "Prejudice", about the power of language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw Getting offended at illustrations representing black and white people working together is the kind of dead code we need to eliminate.