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and what you do if the user gives consent and still send the DNT header?

by joking 3y ago

xxs 3y ago
the latest date consent given (or taken away) takes precedence, consent requires an clear&affirmative action, so if that part can be recorded - do as you please.
- esperent 3y ago
  I guess the person above you means what if someone clicks "accept" on the cookie banner but also has DNT turned on. To which I'd say: they shouldn't even see the cookie banner in that case. DNT alone is enough.
  - IggleSniggle 3y ago
    Yup. If I'm going around my daily business wearing a shirt that says, "no sex for me, please!" Then please do not come up to me and say, "but, would you like to have sex with me?" And if I say "yes, actually, even though it was very rude of you to ask, given the shirt that I am wearing...in fact, I would like to have sex with you," then you should at least have the decency to wait for me to take my shirt off before having sex with me. If I decide it's really not worth the effort to take the shirt off, then it turns out, actually, no, I really did not want the sex after all.
    - esperent 3y ago
      This is the best analogy I've heard in a while, thank you.
- c4mpute 3y ago
  Would be irrelevant, because the DNT-header will be sent with every request, so for all practical purposes will be later than any other kind of consent.
  - xxs 3y ago
    There can be a case where the end user (person), logs on the site - then sets a permission/consent to be 'tracked' (whatever), then a cookie/localstore persists - so the DNT is not relevant. Consent/tracking doesn't mean solely 'cookie' banners.
    - c4mpute 3y ago
      No. Ambiguous consent is no consent. And continuing to send DNT is ambiguous, because the tracker can not distinguish between intent and accident.
geocar 3y ago
You either have consent or you do not. Mixed signals do not permit you to err to your benefit. EU courts have already ruled that "cookie banners" that are too-confusing aren't considered consent.
naniwaduni 3y ago
Does it become harder to figure out when your salary depends on not understanding it or something?
- Lutger 3y ago
  I guess it is. This conversation reminds me of the classic Tea Consent video, explaining the concept of consensual sex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8
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and what you do if the user gives consent and still send the DNT header?

by joking 3y ago

and what you do if the user gives consent and still send the DNT header?

xxs 3y ago

the latest date consent given (or taken away) takes precedence, consent requires an clear&affirmative action, so if that part can be recorded - do as you please.

esperent 3y ago
I guess the person above you means what if someone clicks "accept" on the cookie banner but also has DNT turned on. To which I'd say: they shouldn't even see the cookie banner in that case. DNT alone is enough.
- IggleSniggle 3y ago
  Yup. If I'm going around my daily business wearing a shirt that says, "no sex for me, please!" Then please do not come up to me and say, "but, would you like to have sex with me?" And if I say "yes, actually, even though it was very rude of you to ask, given the shirt that I am wearing...in fact, I would like to have sex with you," then you should at least have the decency to wait for me to take my shirt off before having sex with me. If I decide it's really not worth the effort to take the shirt off, then it turns out, actually, no, I really did not want the sex after all.
  - esperent 3y ago
    This is the best analogy I've heard in a while, thank you.
c4mpute 3y ago
Would be irrelevant, because the DNT-header will be sent with every request, so for all practical purposes will be later than any other kind of consent.
- xxs 3y ago
  There can be a case where the end user (person), logs on the site - then sets a permission/consent to be 'tracked' (whatever), then a cookie/localstore persists - so the DNT is not relevant. Consent/tracking doesn't mean solely 'cookie' banners.
  - c4mpute 3y ago
    No. Ambiguous consent is no consent. And continuing to send DNT is ambiguous, because the tracker can not distinguish between intent and accident.

geocar 3y ago

You either have consent or you do not. Mixed signals do not permit you to err to your benefit. EU courts have already ruled that "cookie banners" that are too-confusing aren't considered consent.

naniwaduni 3y ago

Does it become harder to figure out when your salary depends on not understanding it or something?

Lutger 3y ago
I guess it is. This conversation reminds me of the classic Tea Consent video, explaining the concept of consensual sex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

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