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> Given that there has never been any public incidents about it and what we know about similar defaults I would be surprised if Apple is getting less than 95% o

> Given that there has never been any public incidents about it and what we know about similar defaults I would be surprised if Apple is getting less than 95% opt-in rate. A 95% opt-in rate is INSANELY high for any type of usage-stat opt-in, everything above 50% is usually outstanding. What is known about "similar defaults"?

yipbub 3y ago
It seems like the comment above is describing out-out and the it pesters you to opt-back in if you opt-out.
- ballenf 3y ago
  That's not how it works. You get asked the question again on every update, regardless of what you chose the last time. So there are people who were opted-in that change their minds. My friends and family opt-in rate is <50%. And most of them are non-technical.
  - 55555 3y ago
    It honestly doesn’t matter. We’re talking about hundreds of millions of devices sending data in either case. A hundred million more provides no additional value.
    - brookst 3y ago
      ...unless there's a correlation between opt-in choice and usage patterns.
      - DwnVoteHoneyPot 3y ago
        That’s the trade off. You don’t opt-in, then you don’t get customized stuff. Shouldn’t be surprised if Apple doesn’t optimize for your usage.
- dmix 3y ago
  Major updates are infrequent maybe once a year if you always update, it’s not pestering you. And the UI makes it very easy to skip unlike some designs.
  - plussed_reader 3y ago
    Unless there is a flurry of network vulnerability updates, then a bespoke fork is set in the road for them.
    - dmix 3y ago
      Security/minor updates don't prompt for this AFAIK
3c6bYDXLMj 3y ago
It’s a step in a setup wizard. Whilst it’s explicitly asked, and far from dark pattern territory, it’s designed in such a way that I wouldn’t be surprised by a 95% opt-in rate.
- rickdeckard 3y ago
  I would be VERY surprised. To someone with experience in that area of UX, a 95% opt-IN rate is ridiculously high. A 95% consent-rate would already be hard to achieve as opt-OUT. For opt-in a 95% rate would require both attention AND consent from 95% of the audience at this stage in the setup wizard. I highly doubt that it can achieve 95% attention, let alone 95% consent.
  - Wowfunhappy 3y ago
    But it's not quite opt in our opt out in this case. The user is required to opt for something. Apple literally has 100% attention, because otherwise the user can't move past the screen.
    - marpstar 3y ago
      To add to this, it's not like a mailing list, either. Marketing opt-in is lower because it's annoying. A lot of people don't want emails. Anonymized stats from your machine? Most normal people (who don't use computers like we do) do not care and just click the most affirmative option so that they can move forward.
      - IggleSniggle 3y ago
        I think that was kind of the OP point. "Pro" users are significantly more likely to be opt-out in this scenario, unless they are not Pro users but just want the Pro machine for conspicuous consumption, making a much more dramatic swing in the usage data that is collected.
        GenerocUsername 3y ago
squokko 3y ago
Apple enjoys a level of consumer trust that essentially no other technology business, and almost no other business at all. Whether that's justified or not is a matter of opinion.

yipbub 3y ago

It seems like the comment above is describing out-out and the it pesters you to opt-back in if you opt-out.

ballenf 3y ago
That's not how it works. You get asked the question again on every update, regardless of what you chose the last time. So there are people who were opted-in that change their minds. My friends and family opt-in rate is <50%. And most of them are non-technical.
- 55555 3y ago
  It honestly doesn’t matter. We’re talking about hundreds of millions of devices sending data in either case. A hundred million more provides no additional value.
  - brookst 3y ago
    ...unless there's a correlation between opt-in choice and usage patterns.
    - DwnVoteHoneyPot 3y ago
      That’s the trade off. You don’t opt-in, then you don’t get customized stuff. Shouldn’t be surprised if Apple doesn’t optimize for your usage.
dmix 3y ago
Major updates are infrequent maybe once a year if you always update, it’s not pestering you. And the UI makes it very easy to skip unlike some designs.
- plussed_reader 3y ago
  Unless there is a flurry of network vulnerability updates, then a bespoke fork is set in the road for them.
  - dmix 3y ago
    Security/minor updates don't prompt for this AFAIK

3c6bYDXLMj 3y ago

It’s a step in a setup wizard. Whilst it’s explicitly asked, and far from dark pattern territory, it’s designed in such a way that I wouldn’t be surprised by a 95% opt-in rate.

rickdeckard 3y ago
I would be VERY surprised. To someone with experience in that area of UX, a 95% opt-IN rate is ridiculously high. A 95% consent-rate would already be hard to achieve as opt-OUT. For opt-in a 95% rate would require both attention AND consent from 95% of the audience at this stage in the setup wizard. I highly doubt that it can achieve 95% attention, let alone 95% consent.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  But it's not quite opt in our opt out in this case. The user is required to opt for something. Apple literally has 100% attention, because otherwise the user can't move past the screen.
  - marpstar 3y ago
    To add to this, it's not like a mailing list, either. Marketing opt-in is lower because it's annoying. A lot of people don't want emails. Anonymized stats from your machine? Most normal people (who don't use computers like we do) do not care and just click the most affirmative option so that they can move forward.
    - IggleSniggle 3y ago
      I think that was kind of the OP point. "Pro" users are significantly more likely to be opt-out in this scenario, unless they are not Pro users but just want the Pro machine for conspicuous consumption, making a much more dramatic swing in the usage data that is collected.
      - GenerocUsername 3y ago

squokko 3y ago

Apple enjoys a level of consumer trust that essentially no other technology business, and almost no other business at all. Whether that's justified or not is a matter of opinion.