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Two hackers one keyboard two ways
- jquast 3y agoOne of the first things I saw Linux do was utilize two mouses with two separate mouse pointers (serial and ps2 at the time), I was a young teenager and it blew my mind and I was installing Linux at home by the end of the month.
- arp242 3y agoWindows 95 could do that, maybe even DOS (less sure about that though).
- somat 3y agoThe linux port of world of goo supported multiplayer via two mice. It was a bit of an involved setup(special udev rules if I remember correctly) but I thought it neat they took the time to make it happen. update: I looked it up. you had to change the game config and change permissions on the mouse device. so not that bad considering.
- dwrodri 3y agoThis reminds me of the scene in Ghost in the Shell when the man approaches the terminal and then each of his fingers subdivide into thin metal wires, flurrying across the terminal’s interface. I wonder how research is going w.r.t. augmenting perceptual input bandwidth for humans. It seems like a strong limiting factor on the species.
- thfuran 3y agoI'd put that way, way down the list behind a bunch of cognitive biases, inability to consider scale or plan for the long term, etc.
- thomastjeffery 3y agoI think the biggest overhead is language itself. Writing unambiguous language into text is a lot of work. If we could factor the work of disambiguation out somehow, we could apply that as a sort of UI/UX compression.
- notbeuller 3y agoWatching my 10 year old manipulate the mindcraft ui is mindblowing - she was anticipating the UI before it appeared. On the other hand, watching my officemate try to edit command lines by pressing left arrow 65 times fills me with rage. I think there's a lot of low hanging fruit where people aren't aware of the power of their tools.
- deadbeeves 3y agoFun fact: That scientist does that instead of simply using a neural interface like the Major and other cyborgs because he's an old-fashioned computer scientist and doesn't trust his brain to computers. Seeing as they live in a world where remote servers can fry your brain if you fail to hack into them, it doesn't seem like such a bad idea. Source: the manga.
- dwrodri 3y agoThat is a very fun fact! I have yet to make the leap to manga, but learning this definitely encourages me to do so. I've been been thinking about taking the first leap with the Berserk Deluxe Edition, but have yet to take the leap.
- mbakke 3y agoI used to work with a guy that mounted a keyboard vertically on each side of his chair, using both at once. A true legend.
- julian_t 3y agoI saw someone playing a concertina once and thought hmmmm... a split keyboard might work there. Never got round to doing anything about it, though.
- munificent 3y agoMay I introduce you to the Commodordion: https://linusakesson.net/commodordion/index.php https://linusakesson.net/commodordion/index.php
- uticus 3y agoEven more DYI https://github.com/YangPiCui/ErgonomicVerticalKeyboard https://github.com/YangPiCui/ErgonomicVerticalKeyboard
- 1-more 3y agoI'm typing this from a split keyboard right now. If someone made a nice set of arms that could mount my keyboard halves to my chair arms (with enough room on the right for a trackpad) I'd absolutely spring for that and get rid of my desk. Then when Apple makes a Vision Air I can just go full cyberman and drop the monitor too.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y agoIt frustrates me to no end that the split form factor has not gotten more poplar. It naturally seems a better fit for the human body. Instead, I am stuck paying a premium to kinesis for their garbage software.
- ek750 3y ago
- SnooSux 3y agoFeels like it could be useful for one-handed keyboarding as well.
- rollcat 3y agoAnyone remember Uplink[1]? It was a pretty fun, somewhat realistic black hat/script kiddie simulator game. I always wanted to make a game where you go against another human, and try to hack into each other's systems; but with pretty graphics and some "physical" game world, where your agents could be autonomous or remote-controlled bots. So there's a bit of combat / tactics; "hacking" something could require solving a very short minigame (2048, tetris, hangman, think WarioWare[2]); you could dump a fallen enemy bot's memory to recover their programming and look for a weakness; deploy RF jammer to make enemy bots in the area revert to auto-pilot; etc. You get to make your own designs, setup perimeter defenses, maybe a little bit like Factorio meets Robot Wars, with scripting in Forth/Scheme/Lua. [1]: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1510/Uplink/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1510/Uplink/ [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarioWare,_Inc.:_Mega_Microgames https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarioWare,_Inc.:_Mega_Microgam...!
- rschiavone 3y agoRelevant discussion from 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38047861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38047861
- axxl 3y agoNot quite the same but the Netrunner card game is an assymetric hacker vs corp game. It's... being revived via community support and has an active online scene I believe. Edit: Netrunner not Nethack... oops
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago> Netrunner ... hacker vs corp "The game took place in the setting for the Cyberpunk 2020 role-playing game" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netrunner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netrunner Yep, sounded familiar from the Cyberpunk RED game my tabletop group started recently. It's interesting to me how I just never heard of this setting for over a decade of playing TTRPGs and now it's seemingly everywhere.
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- carapace 3y agoThat scene has been elided from recent reruns!
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- hotnfresh 3y agoMay just be a casualty of trying to cram in more ads. Older shows are often slightly sped up, and suffer cuts, to fit ad loads that are higher than when they were first broadcast (and that episode might count as “older”, these days)
- brokenmachine 3y agoThose kinds of changes irritate me more than they probably should, and having changes like that for such an annoying reason as ads makes it even worse. If you're watching a show, it should be the same show it was before. I want to see the historical record of how it was when it was broadcast originally. Same thing when they change other things about the show, eg Dawson's Creek where they have now completely changed the music because of some licensing garbage. It's not the same show. I don't even watch Dawson's Creek but that annoys me. Maybe overstating it but I feel that it's important for our shared cultural heritage. Say someone recommends a show to you, then you watch it but you're actually watching what is essentially a different show... Also, insidious retroactive censorship/whitewashing.
- civopsec 3y agoI use an external keyboard for my right hand and the laptop keyboard for my left so that the left one can be more straight. So that an inflammation doesn’t worsen. (This is on Ubuntu/Gnome 3 (ugh)) I have tried two external keyboards (on the laptop) but then I had to deal with very annoying input lag from the second plugged in keyboard.
- maxbond 3y ago> So that an inflammation doesn’t worsen. I feel that. It seems like you've found something that works for you, but if you're ever looking to change up your setup, I've got some keyboards that are helpful to me. I'm attached to a certain pricey brand (and they're awesome and I wholeheartedly endorse them), but you can find some cheaper alternatives as well that are similar. (They're also open hardware, so you could build them if you're so inclined.) I have a Keyboard.io Atreus. It's very small, it has 44 keys. You don't move your hands to type, they just stay where they are and only your fingers move. The downside is that, to make up for the lack of keys, you've gotta use several layers with modifier keys (eg I have 3). I've also got a split keyboard (Keyboard.io Model 100). Each side can be positioned independently, and they're hooked together by an Ethernet chord. So you could get a similar set up to what you have now. The other things that were important for me are a vertical mouse (Logitech MX Pro Vertical), and a gaming mousepad, and additional padding for my chair's armrests. Obligatory reminder that everyone using a computer all day should make sure to put some effort into ergonomics and not developing an RSI.
- civopsec 3y agoAye thanks for the recommendations.
- Fnoord 3y agoI need to let my arm rest on a wrist patch and/or armchair. Else I get inflammation. With my second keyboard (for my Mac) I didn't do this, as it stands behind the first one, and so now I have developed an inflammation. The advice for vertical mouse I read before. But I like that my mice are wireless (Logitech G903 and Apple Magic Mouse 2).
- sonicanatidae 3y agoThe part I always liked about that 2 people on a keyboard scene from NCIS was the boss unplugging the power to the workstation, preventing them from further attempts at blocking access to....the server.
- sushid 3y agoCompletely unnecessary. Why didn't they just turn off the monitor? /s
- teachrdan 3y agoOnion headline: "Man angry at hard drive hits monitor"
- toast0 3y agoWell, they said the hacker was going through the workstation, not sure why... but seems reasonable to drop the workstation if that's the case (but the real question is did the boss pull the computer power cable or the monitor power cable)
- sonicanatidae 3y agoIf that was the case, then they were both idiots, because unplugging ETH or Power would have stopped the "hack".
- stevekemp 3y agoThe thing that always gets me about the NCIS scene is the lack of continuity in Tony's sandwich - it is either "full" or "half-eaten".
- corytheboyd 3y agoIs the ridiculousness of these scenes an inside joke amongst writers trying to top each other? Or is that just another false internet un-fact I have saved to my brain :p I like to think it’s true because it’s hilarious.
- vlunkr 3y agoI think that's totally possible. Especially when you're many seasons deep into a TV show, you have to get creative.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoThe true legend of quad mastery foretells the coming of a hacker capable of using four keyboards simultaneously. One for each hand, one for each feet. Such a superhuman being could theoretically hack anything, even the NSA. They would not be able to turn off the monitors of the computers fast enough to stop him.
- AceJohnny2 3y agoOne with such power must surely see within the network, that shadowy place that repels and terrorizes us.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoThe network fears him. He walks unmolested through the cyberspace despite not having put up any firewalls. His logs are clean for not one dares make a move against him. Chinese bots send themselves signal nine when they spot him, thereby escaping a fate worse than deletion.
- jachee 3y agoHe can eat glass. It does not harm him.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoEvery moon and well into the depths of the night, for it is the only time he may work undisturbed, he takes a few of his numerous magic silicon runes and imbues them with purpose using a magic keyboard enchantment. It is not long before the results are observed. Yes, he purposefully overdrives his uncooled chips to red hot temperatures until they melt away, the nanometer inscribings sublimating into magic smoke. He breathes the magic smoke. Lesser beings recoil at the sight and yet the quad master is unfazed. His eyes shine terminal green once the ritual is complete, scanlines visible in his pupils, his source sorcery enhanced. Merged with the essence of silicon, he becomes more machine than man, a human compiler, able to squeeze out C performance out of the most dynamic of languages.
- JaDogg 3y agoHaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
- Fnoord 3y agoI'd love some kind of quick method to move my entire second screen, primary keyboard, and mouse, with one keybind to my Mac instead of my Windows machine and vice versa. I don't need multiplexing, I'd even be OK with keeping pointer as-is. But two keyboards on my desk, it is too much. One solution I've found is USB2BT with different Bluetooth profiles. A KVM could also work, but I require 4k HDMI and USB. The KVMs I've found are too expensive for my liking. Also, with practice of keybinds in screen/tmux/zellij you can achieve something which approaches what is written in this article. With a good DE, you can even run two applications together on the same screen, or on two screens, or more. And I knew people who were running three monitors, keyboards, and mice on one computer back in the end of 90s, using XFree86. I used to run two fullscreen X servers myself on the same monitor, one for gaming. If it would crash, and least my whole DE wouldn't die with it. Usually. If it was a kernel crash I was SOL.
- Szpadel 3y agoI can recommend you KVM from level1tech, I'm using personally version 2DP x 4Computers, but recently I saw they offer 4computers KVM without monitors version, I have no idea what magic they use to know when your cursor reached edge of the screen but it looks exactly what you described is your need
- Fnoord 3y agoThanks for the suggestion. Yep, I looked them up. That seems about the only brand I'd have trusted (need high performance HDMI/DP), but the price is too high for my liking. We're looking at 300+ USD w/o tax. I've gone with a docking station [1] for my MBP because it also has 100W PD (a big pro as it saved me from buying another power adapter). I put my monitor from DP to HDMI1 and it works. Since it is China ware I don't use the ethernet port. YMMV! And I still have to use the second keyboard. Which sucks. Perhaps I could retry Barrier specifically for that. I also haven't thought of sound yet. On the PC I use a Logitech headset with a user serviceable battery. It uses a proprietary USB-A dongle. [1] https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005300851711.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005300851711.html (the 'pro' version, and no I didn't buy it because of the lame LED strip but because it was a good price/performance thingy. I did read reviews on docking stations before I purchased)
- MikeDelta 3y agoI remember the game Double Dragon on DOS where you could play co-op using one keyboard. Less impressive with just a few buttons used, but a lot of fun.
- arp242 3y agoIt was pretty common for games of the era. You could play Settlers 2 with a split screen and two mice! I had a lot of fights with my friend about whether one of us looked on the other half (being 10 year olds, we of course did all the time).
- matheusmoreira 3y agoI used to do this a lot as a kid. Liero was the game. Emulators too. I still prefer playing games with a keyboard to this day.
- teekert 3y agoThat NCIS scene is ridiculed a lot. But I think it was here that someone told me writers intentionally write s like this to f with people like us and laugh about it. And I now think that is true and it changed me.
- itsboring 3y agoThose shows are so formulaic, they have to do something to entertain themselves I suppose.
- deadbeeves 3y agoThe thing is, everyone who has ever said or done anything stupid can say the same, that they were only doing it to troll people. Pretending to be stupid isn't trolling, it's making yourself look stupid.
- vore 3y agoYou’ve never hammed anything up on purpose for laughs? Overexaggeration is peak comedy!
- deadbeeves 3y agoNot at the expense of my own dignity, no. Or at least, not knowing it would be at my expense ahead of time.
- jjeaff 3y agoThe two hackers on one keyboard portion of that scene may have been to screw with people. But the last portion of that sequence, I think, was actually meant to pander to the elder generation that makes up the vast majority of their viewership. What happens at the end is that the older, no-nonsense detective just waltzes over to the outlet and unplugs the monitor, this stopping the hacker in his tracks. the two hackers give a sort of "why didn't I think of that look" as the old detective grins.
- teekert 3y ago
- 1letterunixname 3y agoNot 04/01. Hmm, this is either a serious prank or serious hackery for the art of it. Perhaps quantum both. I approve. :] I just need the upside-down and mirrored keyboard. :{ EDIT: I recall in the 90's - 00's there was a Linux kernel patch to detect and reject feline keyboard input.
- anon115 3y agotitle sounds like a succession of 2 girls one cup
- OJFord 3y agoI remember thinking as a nipper that if only I had a second mouse, I could plug it in and have two pointers. I was interested in this for solitaire-cheating purposes: I thought I'd be able to click-drag away the top card (with nowhere to put it) and then (while holding it still with the other mouse) click to reveal the one underneath. And what could be better than that.
- eastbound 3y agoLinux (or rather Xorg) has support for 2 pointers. I wonder, if each mouse pulls on one side of the desktop, does it stretch or does it shatter? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Multi-pointer_X https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Multi-pointer_X Linux being linux, I bet it rather deforms the fabric of time before stretching the other dimensions. Can’t wait for quantum computers with a 5th dimension.
- Kamq 3y ago> Linux being linux, I bet it rather deforms the fabric of time before stretching the other dimensions. Can’t wait for quantum computers with a 5th dimension. Depends on what driver you have. That only happens if the spacetime driver is loaded, you can change which one it loads at startup by altering your xorg.conf file
- jeffrallen 3y agoYou can still use the spacetime driver at runtime if you remembered to load the anti-entropy plugin at boot. You just set the system clock back to (uptime - 1), load the spacetime driver and then fast-forward time back to now. Though you should make sure not to make any filesystem (or family tree) modifications while you have the system in the past. See the video tutorial "Back to the Future" for more info.
- nfoz 3y agoThe Amiga had support for this in circa 1985. You could play 2-player competitive lemmings which was a game like nothing I've seen since.