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I’ll answer for you then. Yes, you’re claiming that copying is force. I am defining force as literal force. What theft can occur without physically touching th

I’ll answer for you then. Yes, you’re claiming that copying is force. I am defining force as literal force. What theft can occur without physically touching the thing being stolen? I didn’t duck the question. I answered it. I even answered it before it was asked (minus the irrelevant comment about identity fraud) - I’m against IP. Copy whatever you want.

anigbrowl 3y ago
I am defining force as literal force. What theft can occur without physically touching the thing being stolen? This is like saying you work 24-7 because breathing involves physical motion. Insisting on ur personal definitions of well-understood terms while disregarding how everyone else uses them is childish. But even if we use this, ah, special definition, legal remedies in tort cases typically don't involve force. You get a judgement of liability from the court, and and are ordered to write a check. You can complain about government force, but by your criteria your injury is wholly imaginary. Meanwhile it seems clear that you do not consider that authors of creative works to have any rights whatsoever in their output. I hear this a lot from people with no creative abilities of their own.
- alphanullmeric 3y ago
  My definition of force is the definition of force. The definition I gave you was literally "literal force", and you understood that to mean something different from your interpretation of force. You are the only one trying to change definitions here. If the court orders me to do something, that's force. If you think it's somehow voluntary, then I have a few examples I'd like to ask you about. I have no idea what injury you're referring to. Yes, we've already established that you don't get the rights to pixels, sounds and ideas, and my creative abilities won't change that.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    Pathetic display. There is not only one definition of any word, as you can readily ascertain by consulting a good dictionary, legal or otherwise. Yes, we've already established that you don't get the rights to pixels, sounds and ideas We've established that that's what you want, and that you're unwilling to even acknowledge the concept of authorship. Your efforts at rhetorical browbeating are clumsy at best.
    - alphanullmeric 3y ago
      But it doesn't matter what your definition is. If your definition of force includes copying, then we're done. That's what I wanted to hear you say. If not, but you want to go after people that copy, then you don't believe that force is only justified in response to force. If you want to tell me about how court orders aren't force, then I'll ask you if they're equally voluntary in a couple situations where they don't benefit you. That's right, I do not want people to own pixels, sounds and ideas. I don't acknowledge the concept of ownership of something that isn't property. Problem?

anigbrowl 3y ago

I am defining force as literal force. What theft can occur without physically touching the thing being stolen? This is like saying you work 24-7 because breathing involves physical motion. Insisting on ur personal definitions of well-understood terms while disregarding how everyone else uses them is childish. But even if we use this, ah, special definition, legal remedies in tort cases typically don't involve force. You get a judgement of liability from the court, and and are ordered to write a check. You can complain about government force, but by your criteria your injury is wholly imaginary. Meanwhile it seems clear that you do not consider that authors of creative works to have any rights whatsoever in their output. I hear this a lot from people with no creative abilities of their own.

alphanullmeric 3y ago
My definition of force is the definition of force. The definition I gave you was literally "literal force", and you understood that to mean something different from your interpretation of force. You are the only one trying to change definitions here. If the court orders me to do something, that's force. If you think it's somehow voluntary, then I have a few examples I'd like to ask you about. I have no idea what injury you're referring to. Yes, we've already established that you don't get the rights to pixels, sounds and ideas, and my creative abilities won't change that.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  Pathetic display. There is not only one definition of any word, as you can readily ascertain by consulting a good dictionary, legal or otherwise. Yes, we've already established that you don't get the rights to pixels, sounds and ideas We've established that that's what you want, and that you're unwilling to even acknowledge the concept of authorship. Your efforts at rhetorical browbeating are clumsy at best.
  - alphanullmeric 3y ago
    But it doesn't matter what your definition is. If your definition of force includes copying, then we're done. That's what I wanted to hear you say. If not, but you want to go after people that copy, then you don't believe that force is only justified in response to force. If you want to tell me about how court orders aren't force, then I'll ask you if they're equally voluntary in a couple situations where they don't benefit you. That's right, I do not want people to own pixels, sounds and ideas. I don't acknowledge the concept of ownership of something that isn't property. Problem?