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Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. T

Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist.

_8j50 3y ago
The only time I got in a serious fight in high school was when I saw a kid get beaten up by bullies. I mean, I was even weaker than him and got really beaten up myself but I lander a few hits and I am still proud of myself for getting beaten up. They left that kid alone after that. I saw someone getting bullied up at the workplace, eventually got fired. Wanted to do something but I was afraid for my own job. Lo and behold, it didn't matter how good or succesful I was at my job, the circle of shit came back around eventually to where I was on the business end of things. I got what I deserved. I do my best to avoid people and situations in general that might end up in me witnessing this kind of shit again but I don't think I can not do anything that way again. I don't think being averse to cowardice makes you autistic though. What's the purpose of these articles and research? Find more ways to label and box people in so they can be more easily dismissed? "Oh, we're not a bunch of bullies and cowards, that person is just autistic or 'on the spectrum'?" Is that it? Shouldn't everyone resist the bystander effect? Isn't this research doing more harm to that effect than good?
COOL_DUDE_2112 3y ago
> Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist. Well that's just bad situational awareness... you can keep an eye on hands, pockets etc when confronting injustice, and if you've taken martial arts you know how to stop a knife attack.
- doktrin 3y ago
  This is a delusional take. Your karate class hasn’t prepared you to survive - let alone “stop” - a knife attack and the sooner you disabuse yourself of that notion the better.
  - InSteady 3y ago
    Most effective knife defense training: if you see a knife, run the fuck away.
  - COOL_DUDE_2112 3y ago
    > This is a delusional take. Your karate class hasn’t prepared you to survive - let alone “stop” - a knife attack and the sooner you disabuse yourself of that notion the better. They told us what the person below says for a gun -- just give them what they want if it's not your body. If someone is standing, making threats, blocking your exit, and you've had training, there are techniques to use to disarm them. I know this because I've done it at least once in the real, and many times in practice before I stopped doing Tang Soo Do. The key is to keep an eye on their hands/pockets and move in close, get control of the hand, and then either twist until their tendons are gonna snap or... jam their own knife into their leg/side. It wasn't a smart move, but I had a lot of people block the door and abuse me when younger, so nowadays when someone does it I'm not inclined to de-escalate them one iota.
    - doktrin 3y ago
      > I know this because I've done it at least once in the real "at least" once? sounds legit. > The key is to keep an eye on their hands/pockets and move in close, get control of the hand, and then either twist until their tendons are gonna snap or... jam their own knife into their leg/side. More cap than a lids store.
doktrin 3y ago
It’s wild you’re getting downvoted. Probably speaks to HN being comprised of sheltered upper middle class nerds whose idea of “injustice” is being denied WFH 5 days a week. All you folks who think you’re ready to step in and play captain white knight save-a-hoe are in for the rudest of awakenings when you try this in a situation you have inevitably misjudged.

_8j50 3y ago

The only time I got in a serious fight in high school was when I saw a kid get beaten up by bullies. I mean, I was even weaker than him and got really beaten up myself but I lander a few hits and I am still proud of myself for getting beaten up. They left that kid alone after that. I saw someone getting bullied up at the workplace, eventually got fired. Wanted to do something but I was afraid for my own job. Lo and behold, it didn't matter how good or succesful I was at my job, the circle of shit came back around eventually to where I was on the business end of things. I got what I deserved. I do my best to avoid people and situations in general that might end up in me witnessing this kind of shit again but I don't think I can not do anything that way again. I don't think being averse to cowardice makes you autistic though. What's the purpose of these articles and research? Find more ways to label and box people in so they can be more easily dismissed? "Oh, we're not a bunch of bullies and cowards, that person is just autistic or 'on the spectrum'?" Is that it? Shouldn't everyone resist the bystander effect? Isn't this research doing more harm to that effect than good?

COOL_DUDE_2112 3y ago

> Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist. Well that's just bad situational awareness... you can keep an eye on hands, pockets etc when confronting injustice, and if you've taken martial arts you know how to stop a knife attack.

doktrin 3y ago
This is a delusional take. Your karate class hasn’t prepared you to survive - let alone “stop” - a knife attack and the sooner you disabuse yourself of that notion the better.
- InSteady 3y ago
  Most effective knife defense training: if you see a knife, run the fuck away.
- COOL_DUDE_2112 3y ago
  > This is a delusional take. Your karate class hasn’t prepared you to survive - let alone “stop” - a knife attack and the sooner you disabuse yourself of that notion the better. They told us what the person below says for a gun -- just give them what they want if it's not your body. If someone is standing, making threats, blocking your exit, and you've had training, there are techniques to use to disarm them. I know this because I've done it at least once in the real, and many times in practice before I stopped doing Tang Soo Do. The key is to keep an eye on their hands/pockets and move in close, get control of the hand, and then either twist until their tendons are gonna snap or... jam their own knife into their leg/side. It wasn't a smart move, but I had a lot of people block the door and abuse me when younger, so nowadays when someone does it I'm not inclined to de-escalate them one iota.
  - doktrin 3y ago
    > I know this because I've done it at least once in the real "at least" once? sounds legit. > The key is to keep an eye on their hands/pockets and move in close, get control of the hand, and then either twist until their tendons are gonna snap or... jam their own knife into their leg/side. More cap than a lids store.

doktrin 3y ago

It’s wild you’re getting downvoted. Probably speaks to HN being comprised of sheltered upper middle class nerds whose idea of “injustice” is being denied WFH 5 days a week. All you folks who think you’re ready to step in and play captain white knight save-a-hoe are in for the rudest of awakenings when you try this in a situation you have inevitably misjudged.