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Fiscal prudence?

josephcsible 3y ago
To me, "personal daily driver" sounds like where you'd do online banking. A MacBook from 2015 can't run any OS newer than Big Sur, which is EOL right about now. And it sounds really imprudent to do online banking from an insecure device.
- tom_ 3y ago
  My 2015 MBP is supported in macOS Monterey.
  - josephcsible 3y ago
    The "Pro" makes a difference there. The Air and Pro from 2015 both got Monterey, but the regular MacBook from the same year didn't.
- ac29 3y ago
  It should still be able to run an up to date web browser though, right? If one is that concerned about someone exploiting an OS level security flaw to exfiltrate their online banking credentials (wildly unlikely), they should just be doing that stuff in a VM or similarly isolated environment anyways.
  - josephcsible 3y ago
    > It should still be able to run an up to date web browser though, right? For a while, yes, but the browser being up-to-date doesn't make an EOL OS safe to expose to the Internet. > If one is that concerned about someone exploiting an OS level security flaw to exfiltrate their online banking credentials (wildly unlikely), they should just be doing that stuff in a VM or similarly isolated environment anyways. Just doing sensitive stuff in a VM isn't good protection at all, since a malicious host can trivially compromise the guest.
- astrange 3y ago
  Many US bank websites have so few features I'm not even sure what hacking mine could get someone. They can transfer from my checking to my savings account?
- andrewprock 3y ago
  I assure you, I take security quite seriously. The version of MacOS I'm using is nowhere near the top security risk.
- type0 3y ago
  > A MacBook from 2015 can't run any OS newer than Big Sur It can, Ubuntu runs just fine on it
  - josephcsible 3y ago
    You're right, I should have been more precise. But you still won't get security updates to firmware anymore that way.
    - rokkitmensch 3y ago
      If this is your personal threat model, I commend you on an exciting life well-lived that appears to entail sophisticated personal protection of the GPG keys and Bitcoin you need to run your business empire securely.
- eviks 3y ago
  It can run the latest OS with the open core project
- rokkitmensch 3y ago
  The problem from another angle: I wouldn't trust anything made in the last decade for my airgap box.

Fiscal prudence?

To me, "personal daily driver" sounds like where you'd do online banking. A MacBook from 2015 can't run any OS newer than Big Sur, which is EOL right about now. And it sounds really imprudent to do online banking from an insecure device.

tom_ 3y ago
My 2015 MBP is supported in macOS Monterey.
- josephcsible 3y ago
  The "Pro" makes a difference there. The Air and Pro from 2015 both got Monterey, but the regular MacBook from the same year didn't.
ac29 3y ago
It should still be able to run an up to date web browser though, right? If one is that concerned about someone exploiting an OS level security flaw to exfiltrate their online banking credentials (wildly unlikely), they should just be doing that stuff in a VM or similarly isolated environment anyways.
- josephcsible 3y ago
  > It should still be able to run an up to date web browser though, right? For a while, yes, but the browser being up-to-date doesn't make an EOL OS safe to expose to the Internet. > If one is that concerned about someone exploiting an OS level security flaw to exfiltrate their online banking credentials (wildly unlikely), they should just be doing that stuff in a VM or similarly isolated environment anyways. Just doing sensitive stuff in a VM isn't good protection at all, since a malicious host can trivially compromise the guest.
astrange 3y ago
Many US bank websites have so few features I'm not even sure what hacking mine could get someone. They can transfer from my checking to my savings account?
andrewprock 3y ago
I assure you, I take security quite seriously. The version of MacOS I'm using is nowhere near the top security risk.
type0 3y ago
> A MacBook from 2015 can't run any OS newer than Big Sur It can, Ubuntu runs just fine on it
- josephcsible 3y ago
  You're right, I should have been more precise. But you still won't get security updates to firmware anymore that way.
  - rokkitmensch 3y ago
    If this is your personal threat model, I commend you on an exciting life well-lived that appears to entail sophisticated personal protection of the GPG keys and Bitcoin you need to run your business empire securely.
eviks 3y ago
It can run the latest OS with the open core project
rokkitmensch 3y ago
The problem from another angle: I wouldn't trust anything made in the last decade for my airgap box.