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You will need to convince your politicians to lower import duties and taxes. And that $1599 USD is without taxes. So not the whole US has this price. It was al

by throwaway019254 3y ago

You will need to convince your politicians to lower import duties and taxes. And that $1599 USD is without taxes. So not the whole US has this price. It was always worth for me to travel to Oregon to have zero tax.

makeitdouble 3y ago
It usually comes with a 2 year warranty, which adds to the costs.
3c6bYDXLMj 3y ago
I think you mean, convince politicians to allow for the ridiculous tax-excluded display pricing that’s prolific in the US.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  Well the average VAT in Europe is about twice as high if not more than the average sales tax in the US. So I’d rather have to do some basic math but save 10% (of course different tax rates only partially explain the price difference, it still is significantly more expensive in Europe without VAT)
- sib 3y ago
  Why is it ridiculous to allow for tax-excluded display of pricing? You couldn't run a TV or newspaper ad with tax-included pricing in the US since there are so many different taxing jurisdictions here (more than 13,000, as of early 2023). Perhaps what's ridiculous is that we have so many different taxing jurisdictions.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  > ridiculous tax-excluded display pricing Why is that ridiculous? I don't pay sales tax, what else would you have them advertise?
- Detrytus 3y ago
  I think this is brilliant: let the people know how much of the price actually goes to the company, and how much to the government. Helps people make an informed decision on who's to blame for high prices of everything.
ffgjgf1 3y ago
Even without the taxes it costs ~$200 more in the EU. Admittedly mandatory 2 year warranty might play a role
- Detrytus 3y ago
  This, plus a risk of EUR/USD exchange rate going wrong way in the next year.
Macha 3y ago
Here's some example US->EU Markups for other laptops in the same (EU) price range, sold direct by manufacturers to Ireland (list price to list price, so tax excl in US, tax incl in EU): - Macbook Pro (M3, 8GB RAM, 512 GB Storage): $1549 -> €2049 ($2179) = 40% Markup - Dell XPS 15 (i3-13700H, RTX 4050, 16GB RAM, 512GB Storage): $1865 -> €1989 ($2110) = 13% Markup - Framework 16 (Prebuilt Performance Pro - Ryzen 7840HS, 16GB RAM, 512GB Storage): $1739 -> €1907 ($2023) = 16% markup Apple's EU markup is an outlier here.

makeitdouble 3y ago

It usually comes with a 2 year warranty, which adds to the costs.

3c6bYDXLMj 3y ago

I think you mean, convince politicians to allow for the ridiculous tax-excluded display pricing that’s prolific in the US.

ffgjgf1 3y ago
Well the average VAT in Europe is about twice as high if not more than the average sales tax in the US. So I’d rather have to do some basic math but save 10% (of course different tax rates only partially explain the price difference, it still is significantly more expensive in Europe without VAT)
sib 3y ago
Why is it ridiculous to allow for tax-excluded display of pricing? You couldn't run a TV or newspaper ad with tax-included pricing in the US since there are so many different taxing jurisdictions here (more than 13,000, as of early 2023). Perhaps what's ridiculous is that we have so many different taxing jurisdictions.
rootusrootus 3y ago
> ridiculous tax-excluded display pricing Why is that ridiculous? I don't pay sales tax, what else would you have them advertise?
Detrytus 3y ago
I think this is brilliant: let the people know how much of the price actually goes to the company, and how much to the government. Helps people make an informed decision on who's to blame for high prices of everything.

ffgjgf1 3y ago

Even without the taxes it costs ~$200 more in the EU. Admittedly mandatory 2 year warranty might play a role

Detrytus 3y ago
This, plus a risk of EUR/USD exchange rate going wrong way in the next year.

Macha 3y ago

Here's some example US->EU Markups for other laptops in the same (EU) price range, sold direct by manufacturers to Ireland (list price to list price, so tax excl in US, tax incl in EU): - Macbook Pro (M3, 8GB RAM, 512 GB Storage): $1549 -> €2049 ($2179) = 40% Markup - Dell XPS 15 (i3-13700H, RTX 4050, 16GB RAM, 512GB Storage): $1865 -> €1989 ($2110) = 13% Markup - Framework 16 (Prebuilt Performance Pro - Ryzen 7840HS, 16GB RAM, 512GB Storage): $1739 -> €1907 ($2023) = 16% markup Apple's EU markup is an outlier here.