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Calling it evil is a bit of a stretch.

3c6bYDXLMj 3y ago
Hyperbole like this is necessary for people to justify the extreme negative emotions they feel about a computer they’ll never buy having specifications that they disapprove of.
Willish42 3y ago
I'll admit "evil" is a stretch but I was thinking in terms of the amount of e-waste this causes due to insufficient RAM hurting the longevity of a $~2k+ computer e.g. https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/technology-media-and-telecom/apple-waste-generation-2095979/ https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/technology-media-an...
spacecadet 3y ago
Is it? Its pretty evil to overcharge and prey on a customer base who doesn't know any better, but would benefit from a more usable starting point, oh say 16... Tims a finance guy, they are kinda evil by default.
- Willish42 3y ago
  Yeah, Apple customers tend to also just "trust Apple" and get whatever the recommended product is for their price point. Half the reason I find this troubling is ewaste, the other half is I'm sick of having to try to explain RAM to my MIL and ask how many tabs they keep open when asked which computer she should buy. If they had a better baseline memory (16gb) or a simple inexpensive upgrade that's the second option in the lineup instead of the higher storage cost, it'd be a simple, one-sentence "get that one". Even having to upgrade the RAM is a hassle when price comparing etc. They know this and it's - by design - misleading to the type of affluent less-tech-friendly users who prefer Apple products.
  - astrange 3y ago
    No one should have to care how many tabs they have open, and since browsers kill/suspend background tabs these days, they probably don't have to care about it either.
    - spacecadet 3y ago
      Except all of the browsers are shit at it. I know someone with so many tabs open it just shows a :)
- renewiltord 3y ago
  America is truly a blessed nation. Their richest evil people simply make the most powerful consumer appliances available for a reasonable price. Their good people must be truly saints.
  - spacecadet 3y ago
    Who? As far as I can tell every American is a psychopathic capitalist murder ready to drive their SUV over the next sand dune/forest/oil field/grandmas house you name it. Bought and sold in 1775 boy.
- sosodev 3y ago
  It's a matter of perspective of course. I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil. Aren't the vast majority corporations just trying to make more money? I would disagree with that.
  - Willish42 3y ago
    > I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil. I mean, surely a mixed bag, and I still participate in it regardless, but pretty much, yeah. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mining-children-trfn/tesla-apple-among-firms-accused-of-aiding-child-labor-in-congo-idUSKBN1YK24F https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mining-children-trfn/... https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-human-rights-violations-embedded-in-producing-technology https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-huma...
  - spacecadet 3y ago
    Exactly :) Im just some punk trying to have a good time with some spicy comments on HN. It's ok to both hate and exist within capitalism. It requires a certain level of pain (masochism) to survive that existence, or dare to enjoy it, while also raging against it.

Hyperbole like this is necessary for people to justify the extreme negative emotions they feel about a computer they’ll never buy having specifications that they disapprove of.

Willish42 3y ago

I'll admit "evil" is a stretch but I was thinking in terms of the amount of e-waste this causes due to insufficient RAM hurting the longevity of a $~2k+ computer e.g. https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/technology-media-and-telecom/apple-waste-generation-2095979/ https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/technology-media-an...

spacecadet 3y ago

Is it? Its pretty evil to overcharge and prey on a customer base who doesn't know any better, but would benefit from a more usable starting point, oh say 16... Tims a finance guy, they are kinda evil by default.

Willish42 3y ago
Yeah, Apple customers tend to also just "trust Apple" and get whatever the recommended product is for their price point. Half the reason I find this troubling is ewaste, the other half is I'm sick of having to try to explain RAM to my MIL and ask how many tabs they keep open when asked which computer she should buy. If they had a better baseline memory (16gb) or a simple inexpensive upgrade that's the second option in the lineup instead of the higher storage cost, it'd be a simple, one-sentence "get that one". Even having to upgrade the RAM is a hassle when price comparing etc. They know this and it's - by design - misleading to the type of affluent less-tech-friendly users who prefer Apple products.
- astrange 3y ago
  No one should have to care how many tabs they have open, and since browsers kill/suspend background tabs these days, they probably don't have to care about it either.
  - spacecadet 3y ago
    Except all of the browsers are shit at it. I know someone with so many tabs open it just shows a :)
renewiltord 3y ago
America is truly a blessed nation. Their richest evil people simply make the most powerful consumer appliances available for a reasonable price. Their good people must be truly saints.
- spacecadet 3y ago
  Who? As far as I can tell every American is a psychopathic capitalist murder ready to drive their SUV over the next sand dune/forest/oil field/grandmas house you name it. Bought and sold in 1775 boy.
sosodev 3y ago
It's a matter of perspective of course. I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil. Aren't the vast majority corporations just trying to make more money? I would disagree with that.
- Willish42 3y ago
  > I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil. I mean, surely a mixed bag, and I still participate in it regardless, but pretty much, yeah. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mining-children-trfn/tesla-apple-among-firms-accused-of-aiding-child-labor-in-congo-idUSKBN1YK24F https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mining-children-trfn/... https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-human-rights-violations-embedded-in-producing-technology https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-huma...
- spacecadet 3y ago
  Exactly :) Im just some punk trying to have a good time with some spicy comments on HN. It's ok to both hate and exist within capitalism. It requires a certain level of pain (masochism) to survive that existence, or dare to enjoy it, while also raging against it.