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Its just so strange to me that they can release some of the most powerful and efficient hardware we have ever seen, and show it off by telling us we can now (ch

Its just so strange to me that they can release some of the most powerful and efficient hardware we have ever seen, and show it off by telling us we can now (checks notes…) check off tasks in a widget on our desktop.

fassssst 3y ago
Yes the very first Mac OS feature mentioned was “now you can quickly see the weather.”
- duxup 3y ago
  They really shouldn't mention the weather until they fix that app. That app is so inexplicably bad, it feels like an intern's summer project.
  - nforgerit 3y ago
    > They really shouldn't mention the weather until they fix that app. After your edit: What a pity! I thought to have just read a great one-liner about the climate crisis and how tech people want to solve everything applying tech.
  - jwestbury 3y ago
    My biggest pet peeve: Apple has decided to convey low/high temperatures different than standard. Every major weather agency and app advertises the daily low as the low temperature during the night following the advertised high. Apple, on the other hand, advertises the lowest temperature during that calendar day. This is a small but crucial difference. If I want to know the coldest temperature it will reach tonight, I need to look at the hourly forecast, because it's quite possibly that the low for today will be for 1am this morning (the past) whilst the low for tomorrow will be 11pm tomorrow, without an advertised daily low for tonight.
    - duxup 3y ago
      That app is like a series of contradictions. At times it seems very averse to tell me about perception on the main screen ... EXCEPT the notifications where it sends me double notifications about rain, snow, whatever all the time, and it's right maybe 15% of the time, maybe.
Alex3917 3y ago
Don’t forget it can also play Myst.
- catchnear4321 3y ago
  myst with ray tracing is just upgraded crysis. no one intends to play it. that it can be played is the important part.
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truncate 3y ago
and watch Monarch: Legacy of Monsters.
n8cpdx 3y ago
After several minutes of scientific computing, 3D rendering, game development, movie production, and Xcode, among others.
- dmix 3y ago
  They showed music production in Logic / Protools about 50% of the human scenes too, which can be demanding.
burntcaramel 3y ago
Looks like it’s raining outside, time to fire up the three AAA games available on this thing.
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- MikusR 3y ago
  Macs are great to run Geforce Now.
  - balls187 3y ago
    And Xbox Cloud
    - oblio 3y ago
      But then... why would you need a Mac? Any PC can do.
      - MikusR 3y ago
        Good screen, silent, long battery.
      - xcv123 3y ago
        Because I would pay money to not use Windows 11, and the Macbook hardware is generally better than the alternatives.
      - balls187 3y ago
        Really hard to do ios dev on a non mac.
- cptcobalt 3y ago
  Apple's lack of serious long-term dedication to 3D gaming is such a self-own that makes their 3D gaming benchmarks feel weak & thin. I'm hopeful the Game Porting Toolkit + advances in this years macOS (Gaming Mode, better support with MoltenVK and SPIRV-Cross, etc) start a publishing shift toward macOS as a target platform, but I can absolutely see Apple taking their foot off the gaming gas pedal again.
ethbr1 3y ago
I think it's great computing hardware has finally met the threshold to run emacs as it was intended.
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robertoandred 3y ago
Did you miss the opening video?
skydhash 3y ago
I was just reading something related to that (can't remember the text) but the gist was that improvement in hardware do not follows software as they try to limit the control that the user has over that hardware. My own impressions after 4 years with apple devices is that there is no expert mode on the Mac. It, and the iPhone and the iPad, are computing appliances, something you use to get work done. They either work for you, or they don't. The mac is more flexible than the others, but the whole ecosystem is trending towards making your workflows fitting the tools, not the tools fitting to the workflow.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  So exactly how does the Mac keep you from running software you want to run?
  - skydhash 3y ago
    - Notarization - Opaque apps - Locked down hardware - SIP,... You can go and find a solution for most of the shackles, but then you're likely to break down the whole system as it was not designed to be that way. The mac is fragile in terms of customizability. It's not that it's preventing running software, it's that it may break down if you do! (not that the others are better, but at least they're trying to be more resilient).
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      You can bypass notarization easily and SIP. By opaque apps you mean everything is not open source? What do you want to be able to do “unsolder the memory from the chip”?
      - skydhash 3y ago
        Transparent apps for me means configurable up to the option of deleting them and replacing it for someone else. Instead of the tight coupling we have now in MacOS, I'd like to have federated applications bound by protocols instead of needing to update the whole system to add a single feature or fix a bug. I don't think you can delete stock apps without disabling SIP or something. I don't need to unsolder the chips, or do anything hardware wise, but I'd like to be able to use the hardware without the OS if needs be. That's why I say it's an appliance. It makes sense in terms of business, but it's not like the user is free to use the device how he wants.
kibibu 3y ago
Finally, the promise of Active Desktop might be realized.

fassssst 3y ago

Yes the very first Mac OS feature mentioned was “now you can quickly see the weather.”

duxup 3y ago
They really shouldn't mention the weather until they fix that app. That app is so inexplicably bad, it feels like an intern's summer project.
- nforgerit 3y ago
  > They really shouldn't mention the weather until they fix that app. After your edit: What a pity! I thought to have just read a great one-liner about the climate crisis and how tech people want to solve everything applying tech.
- jwestbury 3y ago
  My biggest pet peeve: Apple has decided to convey low/high temperatures different than standard. Every major weather agency and app advertises the daily low as the low temperature during the night following the advertised high. Apple, on the other hand, advertises the lowest temperature during that calendar day. This is a small but crucial difference. If I want to know the coldest temperature it will reach tonight, I need to look at the hourly forecast, because it's quite possibly that the low for today will be for 1am this morning (the past) whilst the low for tomorrow will be 11pm tomorrow, without an advertised daily low for tonight.
  - duxup 3y ago
    That app is like a series of contradictions. At times it seems very averse to tell me about perception on the main screen ... EXCEPT the notifications where it sends me double notifications about rain, snow, whatever all the time, and it's right maybe 15% of the time, maybe.

Alex3917 3y ago

Don’t forget it can also play Myst.

catchnear4321 3y ago
myst with ray tracing is just upgraded crysis. no one intends to play it. that it can be played is the important part.
- deleted 3y ago
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truncate 3y ago

and watch Monarch: Legacy of Monsters.

n8cpdx 3y ago

After several minutes of scientific computing, 3D rendering, game development, movie production, and Xcode, among others.

dmix 3y ago
They showed music production in Logic / Protools about 50% of the human scenes too, which can be demanding.

burntcaramel 3y ago

Looks like it’s raining outside, time to fire up the three AAA games available on this thing.

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MikusR 3y ago
Macs are great to run Geforce Now.
- balls187 3y ago
  And Xbox Cloud
  - oblio 3y ago
    But then... why would you need a Mac? Any PC can do.
    - MikusR 3y ago
      Good screen, silent, long battery.
    - xcv123 3y ago
      Because I would pay money to not use Windows 11, and the Macbook hardware is generally better than the alternatives.
    - balls187 3y ago
      Really hard to do ios dev on a non mac.
cptcobalt 3y ago
Apple's lack of serious long-term dedication to 3D gaming is such a self-own that makes their 3D gaming benchmarks feel weak & thin. I'm hopeful the Game Porting Toolkit + advances in this years macOS (Gaming Mode, better support with MoltenVK and SPIRV-Cross, etc) start a publishing shift toward macOS as a target platform, but I can absolutely see Apple taking their foot off the gaming gas pedal again.

ethbr1 3y ago

I think it's great computing hardware has finally met the threshold to run emacs as it was intended.

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robertoandred 3y ago

Did you miss the opening video?

skydhash 3y ago

I was just reading something related to that (can't remember the text) but the gist was that improvement in hardware do not follows software as they try to limit the control that the user has over that hardware. My own impressions after 4 years with apple devices is that there is no expert mode on the Mac. It, and the iPhone and the iPad, are computing appliances, something you use to get work done. They either work for you, or they don't. The mac is more flexible than the others, but the whole ecosystem is trending towards making your workflows fitting the tools, not the tools fitting to the workflow.

scarface_74 3y ago
So exactly how does the Mac keep you from running software you want to run?
- skydhash 3y ago
  - Notarization - Opaque apps - Locked down hardware - SIP,... You can go and find a solution for most of the shackles, but then you're likely to break down the whole system as it was not designed to be that way. The mac is fragile in terms of customizability. It's not that it's preventing running software, it's that it may break down if you do! (not that the others are better, but at least they're trying to be more resilient).
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    You can bypass notarization easily and SIP. By opaque apps you mean everything is not open source? What do you want to be able to do “unsolder the memory from the chip”?
    - skydhash 3y ago
      Transparent apps for me means configurable up to the option of deleting them and replacing it for someone else. Instead of the tight coupling we have now in MacOS, I'd like to have federated applications bound by protocols instead of needing to update the whole system to add a single feature or fix a bug. I don't think you can delete stock apps without disabling SIP or something. I don't need to unsolder the chips, or do anything hardware wise, but I'd like to be able to use the hardware without the OS if needs be. That's why I say it's an appliance. It makes sense in terms of business, but it's not like the user is free to use the device how he wants.

kibibu 3y ago

Finally, the promise of Active Desktop might be realized.