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Apple supercharges 24‑inch iMac with new M3 chip
- somethoughts 3y agoDefinitely looks interesting.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoWhere is the 27”?
- alberth 3y agoApple wants you to purchase the Studio Display if you want a 27” form factor.
- AceJohnny2 3y agoI was hoping there would finally be an Apple Silicon 27" iMac. The last 27" model was in 2020, Intel, not sold on Apple's front-page anymore (but you can get Certified Refurbished).
- AceJohnny2 3y agoFor how predominant the 27" iMacs seemed to be around me, I wonder if they've fallen by the wayside in Apple's product-share, and are replaced by Minis/Studios with a Studio Display?
- seec 3y agoI am fairly sure they sold them by the palet but it was most likely one of the lowest margin products they had if not the absolute lowest. They could not raise the price for historical reasons, so uncle Scrooge asked to sell small iMacs or Studio Displays that cost more than the base iMac used to cost, for a fat 50% margin.
- jltsiren 3y agoI think the larger iMac died, because Apple made different choices with displays than the rest of the market. Apple chose pixel density, while everyone else prioritized physical size and/or refresh rate. A 27" display used to be large, but then 32" displays and ultrawides became affordable. Now they can't get displays that simultaneously meet their requirements, are cheap enough for an iMac, and are competitive with what everyone else is offering.
- plorkyeran 3y ago5k 27" panels have only gotten cheaper since the first 5k 27" imac came out.
- xuki 3y agoDoesn't look like they're going to put out a 27-inch iMac any time soon, John Ternus said in the presentation the 24-inch iMac is a replacement for both 21-inch and 27-inch iMac https://youtu.be/ctkW3V0Mh-k?t=1582 https://youtu.be/ctkW3V0Mh-k?t=1582.
- tonyedgecombe 3y agoThey would say that if that's all they have in the range right now. I think you can take that with a pinch of salt.
- brundolf 3y agoI think the Mac Studio replaced it, which makes sense- its target market is more likely to want to bring their own display
- yreg 3y ago> its target market is more likely I dont know about this part. Whoever wanted to BYOD has been using MacBook Pros. Vast majority of 27" iMac users seems to want to get another large iMac. And there aren't even great monitor choices. Studio display costs as much as a low end iMac used to cost. Samsung Ultrafine is horrible (if its even still produced). And other 3rd party monitors usually don't have 5k at 27".
- macintux 3y ago> And there aren't even great monitor choices. Studio display costs as much as a low end iMac used to cost. Samsung Ultrafine is horrible (if its even still produced). And other 3rd party monitors usually don't have 5k at 27". I recall when the first modern iMac came out with a...25" display, I think? The joke at the time was that it was a monitor, and the computer came for free, because no one else was making a monitor of that size and quality, and the price seemed about right for a standalone display.
- yreg 3y agoWell that joke has held, I have a 2019 one and a 5k monitor that nice was probably worth close to the price of the machine. I was sad that the target display mode went away, because I presumed that I would like to keep using the screen for longer than the computer.
- AceJohnny2 3y agoRIP Target Display Mode. The hilarious thing is that the Studio Display is basically just a stealth Target Display Mode device, considering how it's running a trimmed down OS on a phone chip.
- steele 3y agoSupercharges?
- flashback2199 3y agoBeats me. I guess the current one must be really slow since they needed to supercharge it.
- fulafel 3y agoCompresses the intake gas, forcing more air in to produce more power.
- brundolf 3y agoThese are so beautiful and I wish I had a reason to buy one, but even if I needed a new mac, it's hard to justify a desktop these days when laptops are so capable Who's the target market, other than sleek reception desks?
- wsc981 3y agoAs a developer I prefer desktops over laptops. Only using laptops when e.g. travelling.
- yreg 3y agoMe too. If they made Mac Studio in a form of a 27" iMac I would buy it.
- scarface_74 3y agoThen why not just buy the Mac Studio + Apple monitor?
- yreg 3y agoThe iMac was a much much better deal price-wise. (And I found it more elegant as well, but that's less important.)
- pornel 3y agoMe too, but what am I supposed to do for travel? Buy a second computer? If I just use a laptop + dock I can have one machine for desktop and travel use.
- esafak 3y agoHow often do you travel? Optimize for the typical case.
- TerrifiedMouse 3y agoI worry about the battery longevity of a MacBook though - about damage from keeping at high charge for long periods from it being plugged in/docked. With an iMac that isn’t concern since it has no battery. It will last 5 years + no problem.
- daft_pink 3y agoWould have liked to see the M3 put in other desktop models and support more external displays with their "upgraded" gpus.
- burntcaramel 3y agoI really wish it had more than 24GB of RAM. The large screen is really compelling for a web developer like myself.
- nvy 3y agoThat's a sad commentary on the state of the web stack and browsers that 24 GB is insufficient for web dev of all things.
- duxup 3y agoI have 24GB, it doesn’t web dev work just fine, probably be ok with 16 too.
- internetter 3y agoI have 8GB, it does web dev work just fine.
- fwmcbumcrumble 3y agoI have 32 gigs of ram just to browse the internet and maybe fiddle with some other things. I'm using 26 at the moment with no virtual machines running.
- user47294739 3y ago[dead]
- internetter 3y agoYour computer is designed to use a good chunk of the RAM in the background, to accelerate tasks that frankly do not need acceleration (because why not). I would expect, if you closed all your apps, you'd still see Windows (I assume this is Windows – Windows does it the most) using 16gb. How could it do this? How is Windows usable on computers with 4gb of RAM? Well it doesn't need to use all this RAM, it just does it because it can. And the same thing goes in reverse. I'm frequently actually using 16gb of RAM or so, but the 8gb handles it fine. How? RAM Compression and Swapping. The Calendar app I have not used in the past 8 hours does not need to be using RAM, so it gets sent to swap (storage). The only way to notice this is that refocusing the app takes ~0.1 (~0.3 worst case) longer. (Also, in my experience macOS and to a lesser extent linux is much better at compression than windows)
- cebert 3y agoI wish Apple provided more objective technical details in product announcements rather than marketing spin. There’s very little technical specifications here that you can compare to previous generations or even other vendors.
- kbumsik 3y agoThe lightning cable is still in the box for keyboard & mouse. lol. [1]: https://www.apple.com/imac/specs/ https://www.apple.com/imac/specs/
- yieldcrv 3y agocall the EU
- addaon 3y ago> call the EU And tell them what? That a device that is neither a mobile phone, tablet, nor camera [1] is using a charging port that's not USB C? I suspect that whatever desk has to deal with these complaints is busy responding to all the phone calls about EVs, e-bikes, electric screwdrivers, and thousands of other product categories that they don't regulate connector type on. [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220930IPR41928/long-awaited-common-charger-for-mobile-devices-will-be-a-reality-in-2024 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220930IP...
- einr 3y agoFrom your link: "Regardless of their manufacturer, all new mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones and headsets, handheld videogame consoles and portable speakers, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, earbuds and laptops that are rechargeable via a wired cable, operating with a power delivery of up to 100 Watts, will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C port."
- hulitu 3y agoThey made really a technological achievement of they need a lighning cable for keyboard and mouse. Gone are the days when a serial connection will be enough. /s
- mlazos 3y agoWow, that looks so much thinner than I imagined. The progression from ten years ago to today is amazing. It’s thinner than my monitor!
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- jauntywundrkind 3y agoThere is some brutal +$200, +$200 again upsell here. The $1300 model only has two thunderbolt ports. Want more than two ports? Ca-ching. The $1300 model doesn't have gigabit ethernet. Once again, gotta shell out for the $1500 model. Want pretty colors? Ditto. It's also, imo, pretty insulting to offer customers a base 256GB ssd these days. Quite fine PCIe 3.0 drives are 512GB/$25. It should be standard. But this is Tim Apple terrain: you need to spend $1700 to get that basic upgrade.
- gnicholas 3y agoI don't care about ethernet (haven't plugged in a device to ethernet in many years). I agree that more than two ports would be good, although I get by with just two on my MBA. And most of the time, one of those is taken by video-out, so I really only have one. At least on an iMac, you're not likely using a port for video-out, so you can use the two ports for whatever else. Also, it's less of a big deal to use dongles with a desktop than laptop (I hated using one with my Intel MBP). Probably the speed and power are lessened with dongles/minidocks, but people getting the base model probably wouldn't care that much. But maybe I'm wrong — what use cases are you envisioning? I think I'd just have a backup drive plugged in, and then perhaps and iPhone/iPad when I'm backing it up.
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoMouse, keyboard, second monitor, USB dac/headphone amp, maybe a more appropriate/better webcam, a flash drive, an Xbox controller adapter, a cellphone for charging,... I have a lot of other things plugged into my desktop too. Hdmi-in, a nice USB mic. A USB light. It's hard for me to take a two port device seriously. The cost is just so very low to add more USB3 ports, at least via internal hubs, which would be fine for 90% of my use cases.
- gnicholas 3y agoFair enough! I guess people who buy the base model just use the included (wireless) keyboard/mice, and not more than two other peripherals.
- seec 3y agoIn France it starts at 1.6k euros for a computer that has 8GBRAMM/256SSD. Ethernet port starts at 1.8K, still same base limitation. The device is thin but has an external power brick. Apple users used to joke about badly designed monitors/PC who could not integrate the PSU inside the chassis, leaving an ugly and annoying brick outside. Oh, the irony. This is cheapo entry level HP territory. And the headphone jack is still in the most impractical position. It is not even genuinely nice, just thin. For what exactly? This is one of the most impractical computer design ever made, even for Apple. The only redeeming quality is the display, but considering how poorly equipped the thing is you are paying a pretty penny for it and the integration (not even complete because of power brick...). If they wanted people to not buy them, I would be hard to better. I guess they can still add a random 500 euros to base price; at this point it is more frivolous luxury than technology so who cares...
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- Aromasin 3y agoMy friend - a notorious luddite - bought a newer iMac recently. He was sold by the marketing and videos/reviews of it. I've yet to see him sit at his desk to use it once beyond the first time. It's a paperweight. Same goes for my parents; they went to Currys (UK electronics retailer) to get a cheap laptop to view photos on, and to my dismay walked out with an iMac for 3x the price of a similar spec device that they use once in a blue moon. These SKUs are categorically not meant for the likes of you and me. They're meant to target technologically illiterate people who want a pretty looking PC that everyone raves about because Apple are expert marketeers. The fact it's got 8GB RAM and 256GB of memory means little to nothing for them. They want an Apple device, but want something cheap, so they buy the cheapest one. Any other consideration is irrelevant.
- seec 3y agoI completely agree with you, but this is also what saddens me. Previously I thought that Apple was a brand catering to technology enthusiasts, bringing on to market devices with incredible specs at a price that could seem reasonable. But I guess I was wrong, or this was just in the distant past. In any case your stories match my experiences and the only thing making me laugh is that those incompetent fools very often need services around those expensive devices and if they can pay for the device, they should be able to pay a decent amount for the service. It is very rarely the case, and I have found that Apple users are poorly paying egoists but whatever, they have the money anyway...
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- merricksb 3y agoEarlier submission (about M3 chip): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38078063 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38078063 (483 points/6 hours ago/590 comments)
- dang 3y agoRelated ongoing threads: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38078063 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38078063 Apple unveils the new MacBook Pro featuring the M3 family of chips - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38078065 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38078065
- smcleod 3y agoConsidering they used to offer a 5K iMac that could be upgraded with 32GB of RAM back in what? 2016?…
- AzzyHN 3y agoStill 8gb of RAM... it hurts my soul
- jkaplowitz 3y agoAnnoying base configuration for those of us here, but it’s probably fine for people who just browse social media and email and youtube as their whole experience. At least they can go higher, though probably at usurious prices (haven’t checked) and sadly not above 24 GB. Again, fine range (price aside) for their target audience.
- Badmath 3y agoI’m in the market for an AIO at the minute and I wondered if I could trouble any of you guys for some advice? To be honest I’m pretty computer illiterate, but I need a machine this year to finish an MSc in Maths and possibly for a PhD starting next year. I’m using a computer algebra package called Maple this year, which doesn’t need much processing power at the minute. However, if I manage to start my PhD next year I’ll be dealing with much larger data sets, and possibly coding with python or C. I definitely want an AIO due to space constraints. I also need a large, decent screen due to poor eyesight. To be honest, I’ve been kind of taken in by the M3 IMac with 24 gb and 1 TB, but it’s expensive and for the same money, I’ve seen an HP with a larger 27” 4K screen, an Intel i9 12900, 32 gb and 2 TB. Also you can expand the memory on the HP. I’ve got an iPhone which I like and I guess that’s been influencing me in thinking about switching to Apple, but I need something that’s going to last me at least 5 years. If any of you guys have any thoughts I’d be grateful for some advice. £2000 is a lot of money to me, so I don’t want to waste it on a system that’s going to be no good in 4 years. Thanks in advance.
- hulitu 3y ago> I’m pretty computer illiterate, but I need a machine this year to finish an MSc in Maths and possibly for a PhD starting next year Nice try. Anyway, with 1000£ you can get a decent computer and monitor.
- Badmath 3y agoSeriously I am.I’m a mature student and I completed my maths degree years ago. I only just picked up studying again, part time, over the last couple of years. I’ve been mainly studying number theory and Galois theory recently, in which all the problems were solved with pen and paper. When I say computer illiterate I can obviously use Microsoft office etc but when it comes to evaluating a machine that will last me possibly 5 years doing coding (which I’ve never done before) I haven’t got a clue. I don’t want a separate monitor and computer if I can help it. Being fairly clueless I’d rather get something I can just unbox and switch on, but powerful enough to cope later on. Do you think the Mac is a waste of money?