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Or, if you are from New York / New Jersey, the correct pronunciation is 'budder'. :)

anadalakra 3y ago
Yep, exactly! That's called a "flap T/D" in linguistics.
hughdbrown 3y ago
As a Canadian living in the US, this is the bane of my existence. The disappearance of Ts from so many words and phrases irks me: - bouny hunner - innerview - alannic ciddy - Rocky Mounins - haunid house - udderly - budder (the bagel topping) - winner (the season) - bidder (the taste) - invennive - annie-American - bedder - odder (the cute wadder mammal) The inventive ways that Ts are dropped in favor of: - Ns - Ds - glottal stops - nothing at all are legion. I've mused about publishing a compilation of these words with dropped Ts, but it's hit-or-miss whether the other person in America who cares would buy the book.
- DontchaKnowit 3y ago
  Fwiw this was highly amusing to read. All of these I read in isolation and thought "no I pronounce the t there" then said in a sentance and yeah... youre dead on
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > I've mused about publishing a compilation of these words with dropped Ts, but it's hit-or-miss whether the other person in America who cares would buy the book. There are probably more people than that that care, but most of them would probably prefer something more like the broad description of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_consonants https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_Engl... rather than a catalog of words exhibiting one (or, rather, parts of a couple, related vy the starting sound) of the listed consonant shifts.
  - hughdbrown 3y ago
    I wasn't thinking of a big long list. I envisage a project more like The Quintessential Dictionary: https://www.amazon.com/quintessential-dictionary-I-Moyer-Hunsberger/dp/0805512616 https://www.amazon.com/quintessential-dictionary-I-Moyer-Hun... It's an amusing work of high-vocabulary words with an excerpt from actual usage with the definition and etymology. Catamite, for example, is memorably demonstrated with, I believe, the opening sentence of Anthony Burgess's "Earthly Powers": "It was the afternoon of my eighty-first birthday, and I was in bed with my catamite when Ali announced that the archbishop had come to see me."
- drdaeman 3y ago
  At least there is a pattern, so it’s not exactly like “salmon”
  - hughdbrown 3y ago
    Goodness. I forgot about exackly.
- sheepshear 3y ago
  I have a strong Jersey accent to the point where I need a separate "work voice". Mostly I just focus on neutralizing the vowels, which has the side effect of restoring the consonants a bit. What I didn't realize was the extent to which the consonants stand out to people.
- GeneralMaximus 3y ago
  The one I have most problems with is "Toronto". Every time I've heard it said out loud by somebody from North America, it has sounded like "Turrawnno", with the T's barely audible. On the other hand, my (very Punjabi) family members who actually live there pronounce it "Turronto", with hard T's, rolling R's, and a heavy emphasis on the final T. If you've heard the most common form of the Indian English accent, you know what I mean. So now I just call it "that city in Canada". I just know I'll mangle it if I say it out loud.
- tgv 3y ago
  Or "aydeen, nine-teen (nine-deen?), twenny". Yesterday, I saw an automatic caption of a Youtube video that said "admission" instead of "emission" (which is what I heard the speaker say, and certainly was the intention). The line is very thin indeed.
- randomcarbloke 3y ago
  Every American YouTuber I watch in guiltier of dropping t's than any "bri'ish" person I know yet the meme exist somehow.
- I_complete_me 3y ago
  Did you forget ann ar?dic - for Antarctic. What is that ?d sound? WHY is that sound? Oh and eeeand. The word and used to be monosyllabic. I bet there are a list of words where the loss of each of the 26 letters can be lamented. For example (off the top of my head), the a in head, the b in dumb, the first c in necklace, the d in handsaw ...

Yep, exactly! That's called a "flap T/D" in linguistics.

As a Canadian living in the US, this is the bane of my existence. The disappearance of Ts from so many words and phrases irks me: - bouny hunner - innerview - alannic ciddy - Rocky Mounins - haunid house - udderly - budder (the bagel topping) - winner (the season) - bidder (the taste) - invennive - annie-American - bedder - odder (the cute wadder mammal) The inventive ways that Ts are dropped in favor of: - Ns - Ds - glottal stops - nothing at all are legion. I've mused about publishing a compilation of these words with dropped Ts, but it's hit-or-miss whether the other person in America who cares would buy the book.

DontchaKnowit 3y ago
Fwiw this was highly amusing to read. All of these I read in isolation and thought "no I pronounce the t there" then said in a sentance and yeah... youre dead on
dragonwriter 3y ago
> I've mused about publishing a compilation of these words with dropped Ts, but it's hit-or-miss whether the other person in America who cares would buy the book. There are probably more people than that that care, but most of them would probably prefer something more like the broad description of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_consonants https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_Engl... rather than a catalog of words exhibiting one (or, rather, parts of a couple, related vy the starting sound) of the listed consonant shifts.
- hughdbrown 3y ago
  I wasn't thinking of a big long list. I envisage a project more like The Quintessential Dictionary: https://www.amazon.com/quintessential-dictionary-I-Moyer-Hunsberger/dp/0805512616 https://www.amazon.com/quintessential-dictionary-I-Moyer-Hun... It's an amusing work of high-vocabulary words with an excerpt from actual usage with the definition and etymology. Catamite, for example, is memorably demonstrated with, I believe, the opening sentence of Anthony Burgess's "Earthly Powers": "It was the afternoon of my eighty-first birthday, and I was in bed with my catamite when Ali announced that the archbishop had come to see me."
drdaeman 3y ago
At least there is a pattern, so it’s not exactly like “salmon”
- hughdbrown 3y ago
  Goodness. I forgot about exackly.
sheepshear 3y ago
I have a strong Jersey accent to the point where I need a separate "work voice". Mostly I just focus on neutralizing the vowels, which has the side effect of restoring the consonants a bit. What I didn't realize was the extent to which the consonants stand out to people.
GeneralMaximus 3y ago
The one I have most problems with is "Toronto". Every time I've heard it said out loud by somebody from North America, it has sounded like "Turrawnno", with the T's barely audible. On the other hand, my (very Punjabi) family members who actually live there pronounce it "Turronto", with hard T's, rolling R's, and a heavy emphasis on the final T. If you've heard the most common form of the Indian English accent, you know what I mean. So now I just call it "that city in Canada". I just know I'll mangle it if I say it out loud.
tgv 3y ago
Or "aydeen, nine-teen (nine-deen?), twenny". Yesterday, I saw an automatic caption of a Youtube video that said "admission" instead of "emission" (which is what I heard the speaker say, and certainly was the intention). The line is very thin indeed.
randomcarbloke 3y ago
Every American YouTuber I watch in guiltier of dropping t's than any "bri'ish" person I know yet the meme exist somehow.
I_complete_me 3y ago
Did you forget ann ar?dic - for Antarctic. What is that ?d sound? WHY is that sound? Oh and eeeand. The word and used to be monosyllabic. I bet there are a list of words where the loss of each of the 26 letters can be lamented. For example (off the top of my head), the a in head, the b in dumb, the first c in necklace, the d in handsaw ...