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I think the op is saying, and I might not disagree with them, that a world where dogs run free is a better world, even if it’s more dangerous.

mjburgess 3y ago
I'm saying a world with too many of these signs in it is worse than one with too few. I'd prefer to visit a park with unleashed dogs than one where busy-bodies were constantly on the look out for rule violations. The second one feels more unsafe to me; more repulsive; more invasive. A busy-body is a much worse creature than a dog
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  I once walked up to a woman in a parking lot at night while she was putting groceries away (we were coming out of a grocery store). She turns and says "please get away from me" in a way that made it obvious she was irrationally fearful, no idea why but I can guess. Most people would not have reacted in that manner. My point is this: Go tell the victims of dog attacks they're being busy-bodies by wanting dogs leashed in the park.
  - mjburgess 3y ago
    I doubt the victims are. Its those people wandering through parks having this fantasy of victimisation to drive their 'compassionate' impulse to police others. If you wander around the world engaged in these fantasies, and police everyone around you such, then you're creating a nightmare for people to live in. Do you imagine teenagers attacking people, and then keep them out of parks? They're vastly more dangerous than dogs. Do you imagine so for everything? For knives and forks? For trees? Why! Trees do fall and kill people, we must be ever vigilant for the person with a tree on their property who has not put signs up warning people. Yes, the world has some minimal danger to it; and people are routinely injured one way or another. If you spend your life in fantasies of this danger you'll only make the world doubly unbearable -- as unsafe as it ever was, and now with self-appointed social police making sure no one can enjoy it If there's a dangerous dog in a park, that's a problem -- and call the police; make laws against it; make it a crime to own a dangerous dog. But if there isnt, if you're just having this fantasy that some random guy walking some random dog is endangering the people in the park -- well, I dislike you much more than I dislike that dog. And I'd like a sign to keep you out of the park. But people who make signs arent the kind to make that one; they're the busy-bodies.
    - hollerith 3y ago
      Do you own a pit bull by any chance?
      - mjburgess 3y ago
        I don't own a dog. And as I've said elsewhere, this really isnt about dogs. It's about whether the appropriate response to rare events of danger, imagined in abstract circumstances, should be met with 'fantasy compassion' where people go around policing each other. An unleashed dog in a park is safe as people in the park, indeed, much more so. More people are attacked by other people in parks than by dogs. If we're going to police society to this level, it'll be a nightmare. If there's a dangerous person in the park: call the police. Likewise if there's a dangerous dog. I find it a certain moral sickness to go around in a fantasy that people are all dangerous, or likewise dogs are, or anything else. This is just some internal emotional licence to appoint yourself a police officer. In the comment i replied to above: why was that woman afraid? Because of a dog? No. She reacted to another person. Another person hurt her. People are dangerous. I guess we should have a sign 'no people in the park' -- then we can really enjoy it
        Podgajski 3y ago
        I am the OP. It was about dogs.
        mjburgess 3y ago
        'this' refers to my position. As far as the topic goes, the topic is about how emotional disregulation in autistic people can lead to feelings of injustice and concequentially hostile behaviour. Dogs and their owners are just an illustrative case.
        MacsHeadroom 3y ago
        As an autistic person, your sense of (in)justice matches mine. I see no greater injustice than the oppression of arbitrary authority (e.g. dog leashing signs); and no worse person than those who perpetuate it.

mjburgess 3y ago

I'm saying a world with too many of these signs in it is worse than one with too few. I'd prefer to visit a park with unleashed dogs than one where busy-bodies were constantly on the look out for rule violations. The second one feels more unsafe to me; more repulsive; more invasive. A busy-body is a much worse creature than a dog

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
I once walked up to a woman in a parking lot at night while she was putting groceries away (we were coming out of a grocery store). She turns and says "please get away from me" in a way that made it obvious she was irrationally fearful, no idea why but I can guess. Most people would not have reacted in that manner. My point is this: Go tell the victims of dog attacks they're being busy-bodies by wanting dogs leashed in the park.
- mjburgess 3y ago
  I doubt the victims are. Its those people wandering through parks having this fantasy of victimisation to drive their 'compassionate' impulse to police others. If you wander around the world engaged in these fantasies, and police everyone around you such, then you're creating a nightmare for people to live in. Do you imagine teenagers attacking people, and then keep them out of parks? They're vastly more dangerous than dogs. Do you imagine so for everything? For knives and forks? For trees? Why! Trees do fall and kill people, we must be ever vigilant for the person with a tree on their property who has not put signs up warning people. Yes, the world has some minimal danger to it; and people are routinely injured one way or another. If you spend your life in fantasies of this danger you'll only make the world doubly unbearable -- as unsafe as it ever was, and now with self-appointed social police making sure no one can enjoy it If there's a dangerous dog in a park, that's a problem -- and call the police; make laws against it; make it a crime to own a dangerous dog. But if there isnt, if you're just having this fantasy that some random guy walking some random dog is endangering the people in the park -- well, I dislike you much more than I dislike that dog. And I'd like a sign to keep you out of the park. But people who make signs arent the kind to make that one; they're the busy-bodies.
  - hollerith 3y ago
    Do you own a pit bull by any chance?
    - mjburgess 3y ago
      I don't own a dog. And as I've said elsewhere, this really isnt about dogs. It's about whether the appropriate response to rare events of danger, imagined in abstract circumstances, should be met with 'fantasy compassion' where people go around policing each other. An unleashed dog in a park is safe as people in the park, indeed, much more so. More people are attacked by other people in parks than by dogs. If we're going to police society to this level, it'll be a nightmare. If there's a dangerous person in the park: call the police. Likewise if there's a dangerous dog. I find it a certain moral sickness to go around in a fantasy that people are all dangerous, or likewise dogs are, or anything else. This is just some internal emotional licence to appoint yourself a police officer. In the comment i replied to above: why was that woman afraid? Because of a dog? No. She reacted to another person. Another person hurt her. People are dangerous. I guess we should have a sign 'no people in the park' -- then we can really enjoy it
      - Podgajski 3y ago
        I am the OP. It was about dogs.
        mjburgess 3y ago
        'this' refers to my position. As far as the topic goes, the topic is about how emotional disregulation in autistic people can lead to feelings of injustice and concequentially hostile behaviour. Dogs and their owners are just an illustrative case.
        MacsHeadroom 3y ago
        As an autistic person, your sense of (in)justice matches mine. I see no greater injustice than the oppression of arbitrary authority (e.g. dog leashing signs); and no worse person than those who perpetuate it.