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I have mild autism (not entirely politically correct to describe it that way) without intellectual impairments and I frankly see normal people as disabled.

solardev 3y ago
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." -George Carlin The future is Wall-E...
NeuroCoder 3y ago
I might be missing something here. What does this have to do with this article concerning ASD and the bystander effect.
- guraf 3y ago
  This has nothing to do with the article. He's just showing his poor lack of conversational skills, typical of the condition that makes him "superior".
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    relevant
wkat4242 3y ago
I know what you mean. I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs. At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign. She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All those people couldn't be wrong, right? I explained I guessed they were all just dumbly following the herd without looking which wouldn't even occur to me. I don't really have that autopilot herd-following program in me. Even when I'm in a group I'm navigating as if I were alone. So we got to the end and there were 6 free booths in front of us and all the other passengers were queuing up for the 2 unmanned non-EU passport booths :') a security guard had to let them into the right queue. This applies to the bystander effect too. I'm not surprised about this conclusion at all.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  I found it surprisingly helpful to use the heuristic of just pausing when everyone is doing some thing (like moving in a mass) and just literally evaluating the opposite thing to do. It’s a surprisingly useful heuristic.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Indeed! It gives a fresh outlook on life and a sense of freedom, of all options being open. And a lot of us are the ones that come up with solutions to problems because we think outside the box. Or more specifically: there is no box. I could not live without that sense of freedom.
- permo-w 3y ago
  this effect seems to be especially true in airports. they seem to particularly inspire dumb herd behaviour. perhaps there's an increase in perceived danger leading to a stronger desire for safety in numbers? another example: queueing to board the plane. other than to fit in, why on earth would I stand there and compete to spend more time in a sweaty uncomfortable seat packed with 400 other people? plus, if you get on last, you can take advantage of empty rows before anyone else
  - svara 3y ago
    No need to involve hypoxia, which should subside quickly at sea level. People are tired, stressed, and many have been drinking on the plane.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      In Europe most people don't really drink anymore on flights because it's no longer free on most airlines. Which is a really good thing IMO.
  - xwdv 3y ago
    The reason becomes apparent when you take a carry on bag and find yourself desperately searching for somewhere to put it in an overhead bin, but there is none. You boarded too late and everyone ahead of you stole your allotted space. NOW you have to check in your carry on. And waste time waiting for your bag at the baggage claim. If it even makes it. Your bag has much higher chance of being lost if checked in late.
NoToP 3y ago
When you're successful at life it's called "neurodiversity".
atleastoptimal 3y ago
Frankly that superiority complex may be why neurodivergent people with similar ideas about "normal" people have issues getting along with others, no offense.
- grotted 3y ago
  What you call a "superiority complex" is the exact attitude neurodivergent people face constantly
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    You’re arguing that feeling like everyone (or neurotypical people) is mentally disabled is not an example of superiority complex, right?
    - grotted 3y ago
      You’re arguing that feeling like everyone (or neurodivergent people) is mentally disabled is not an example of superiority complex, right?
      - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
        What? Of course not.
    - GoblinSlayer 3y ago
      It's an account of reality, it may be wrong, but so far it looks like that.
- Name_Chawps 3y ago
  Autistic people are often seen as arrogant because they speak honestly about their strengths (and weaknesses), whereas normal people avoid speaking honestly about their strengths unless they are arrogant.
  - 3y ago
_8j50 3y ago
And this is one good reason to never let a shrink diagnose you.
tysam_and 3y ago
I have autism as well. I don't see normal people as disabled, just different. I think seeing normal people as disabled is a rather myopic perspective, and I sometimes hear it from the community. I don't like it, personally. Typically I believe because many of the times I hear it, it comes with a need for superiority of some kind, and that gets in the way of other various practical things. It's the same kind of tradeoff in autism vs neurotypical people as you would have in frequency vs momentum with particles, or resolution vs distance in wavelengths. This is because the autistic brain has much less information filtering coming in, so the brain is less 'biased' towards certain things, but also gets completely overwhelmed with information more easily. I believe that the reason that many autism traits and cPTSD traits are similar is because they are one and the same -- that they are an emergent result of autism as a result of culture and the world, etc, and are not necessarily inherent to the condition. They just appear that way I believe because the mean/median of our cultures and how they interact with the condition tends to create a fixed point where those symptoms generally tend to arise. This makes some sense if one considers that in cPTSD, it is many, many accumulated little 't' traumas of sensory overwhelm where tiny bits of the experience 'overflow' and aren't properly encoded in the memory system (EMDR, and misc therapeutic techniques attempt to soften this feeling so that those sensations can be re-integrated). As far as day to day life goes, I believe I am a superb hard problem solver, but conversely, the day-to-day 'normal' things, I find quite challenging and overwhelming. I can buffer them some with supplements, reducing sensory input (having routines, things with little extra Shannon information, etc), to keep me in that valid range of not hitting information overwhelm. But I find life significantly harder due to my autism, despite the few gifts it provides. There's not really 'autism without intellectual impairments', really only an inverted U curve of sensitivity to information -- which absolutely is an impairment depending upon the situation. I have a few narrow areas of exceptional gifting, due to my brain's sensitivity to information, and also will be shut down for up to hours from a single screaming baby at a Costco for the same reason. It's all a balance, there's always tradeoffs, and one can certainly move up or down that curve a little bit with suppelements depending upon their personal 'sweet spot'. NAC I've found for me suppresses the symptoms some, and aspartame quite strongly magnifies them for a day or two. I use both, oddly enough, though I greatly prefer NAC for a few reasons. I hope you found this comment informative and interesting. I am happy to discuss further and am willing to answer any questions and/or thoughts. <3 :')))) :')))) <3 Thank you.
zone411 3y ago
It appears that people with high-functioning autism and a high IQ have advantages and disadvantages. According to https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2016.00300/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2016.0030..., crystallized intelligence is reduced, verbal skills and comprehension and coding (psychomotor speed, ability to absorb new material, visual motor speed, drive for achievement) are reduced. However, some other factors like image rotation ability, attention to detail and visual search are enhanced. There might be more "deliberative" decision making that tends to reduce biases and errors. According to https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.02.21265802v2.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.02.21265802v..., autistic individuals with exceptional ability suffer disproportionately from high anxiety and low self-worth. It's a mixed bag with tradeoffs and imbalances, but thinking that normies are disabled just shows that you're overvaluing some factors while undervaluing others.
- darkerside 3y ago
  You may also be perceiving other people's politeness as incompetence
renewiltord 3y ago
God help us. Is it inevitable for every technology forum to eventually descend into proclamations of intellectual superiority?

solardev 3y ago

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." -George Carlin The future is Wall-E...

NeuroCoder 3y ago

I might be missing something here. What does this have to do with this article concerning ASD and the bystander effect.

guraf 3y ago
This has nothing to do with the article. He's just showing his poor lack of conversational skills, typical of the condition that makes him "superior".
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  relevant

wkat4242 3y ago

I know what you mean. I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs. At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign. She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All those people couldn't be wrong, right? I explained I guessed they were all just dumbly following the herd without looking which wouldn't even occur to me. I don't really have that autopilot herd-following program in me. Even when I'm in a group I'm navigating as if I were alone. So we got to the end and there were 6 free booths in front of us and all the other passengers were queuing up for the 2 unmanned non-EU passport booths :') a security guard had to let them into the right queue. This applies to the bystander effect too. I'm not surprised about this conclusion at all.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
I found it surprisingly helpful to use the heuristic of just pausing when everyone is doing some thing (like moving in a mass) and just literally evaluating the opposite thing to do. It’s a surprisingly useful heuristic.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Indeed! It gives a fresh outlook on life and a sense of freedom, of all options being open. And a lot of us are the ones that come up with solutions to problems because we think outside the box. Or more specifically: there is no box. I could not live without that sense of freedom.
permo-w 3y ago
this effect seems to be especially true in airports. they seem to particularly inspire dumb herd behaviour. perhaps there's an increase in perceived danger leading to a stronger desire for safety in numbers? another example: queueing to board the plane. other than to fit in, why on earth would I stand there and compete to spend more time in a sweaty uncomfortable seat packed with 400 other people? plus, if you get on last, you can take advantage of empty rows before anyone else
- svara 3y ago
  No need to involve hypoxia, which should subside quickly at sea level. People are tired, stressed, and many have been drinking on the plane.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    In Europe most people don't really drink anymore on flights because it's no longer free on most airlines. Which is a really good thing IMO.
- xwdv 3y ago
  The reason becomes apparent when you take a carry on bag and find yourself desperately searching for somewhere to put it in an overhead bin, but there is none. You boarded too late and everyone ahead of you stole your allotted space. NOW you have to check in your carry on. And waste time waiting for your bag at the baggage claim. If it even makes it. Your bag has much higher chance of being lost if checked in late.

NoToP 3y ago

When you're successful at life it's called "neurodiversity".

atleastoptimal 3y ago

Frankly that superiority complex may be why neurodivergent people with similar ideas about "normal" people have issues getting along with others, no offense.

grotted 3y ago
What you call a "superiority complex" is the exact attitude neurodivergent people face constantly
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  You’re arguing that feeling like everyone (or neurotypical people) is mentally disabled is not an example of superiority complex, right?
  - grotted 3y ago
    You’re arguing that feeling like everyone (or neurodivergent people) is mentally disabled is not an example of superiority complex, right?
    - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
      What? Of course not.
  - GoblinSlayer 3y ago
    It's an account of reality, it may be wrong, but so far it looks like that.
Name_Chawps 3y ago
Autistic people are often seen as arrogant because they speak honestly about their strengths (and weaknesses), whereas normal people avoid speaking honestly about their strengths unless they are arrogant.
- 3y ago

_8j50 3y ago

And this is one good reason to never let a shrink diagnose you.

tysam_and 3y ago

I have autism as well. I don't see normal people as disabled, just different. I think seeing normal people as disabled is a rather myopic perspective, and I sometimes hear it from the community. I don't like it, personally. Typically I believe because many of the times I hear it, it comes with a need for superiority of some kind, and that gets in the way of other various practical things. It's the same kind of tradeoff in autism vs neurotypical people as you would have in frequency vs momentum with particles, or resolution vs distance in wavelengths. This is because the autistic brain has much less information filtering coming in, so the brain is less 'biased' towards certain things, but also gets completely overwhelmed with information more easily. I believe that the reason that many autism traits and cPTSD traits are similar is because they are one and the same -- that they are an emergent result of autism as a result of culture and the world, etc, and are not necessarily inherent to the condition. They just appear that way I believe because the mean/median of our cultures and how they interact with the condition tends to create a fixed point where those symptoms generally tend to arise. This makes some sense if one considers that in cPTSD, it is many, many accumulated little 't' traumas of sensory overwhelm where tiny bits of the experience 'overflow' and aren't properly encoded in the memory system (EMDR, and misc therapeutic techniques attempt to soften this feeling so that those sensations can be re-integrated). As far as day to day life goes, I believe I am a superb hard problem solver, but conversely, the day-to-day 'normal' things, I find quite challenging and overwhelming. I can buffer them some with supplements, reducing sensory input (having routines, things with little extra Shannon information, etc), to keep me in that valid range of not hitting information overwhelm. But I find life significantly harder due to my autism, despite the few gifts it provides. There's not really 'autism without intellectual impairments', really only an inverted U curve of sensitivity to information -- which absolutely is an impairment depending upon the situation. I have a few narrow areas of exceptional gifting, due to my brain's sensitivity to information, and also will be shut down for up to hours from a single screaming baby at a Costco for the same reason. It's all a balance, there's always tradeoffs, and one can certainly move up or down that curve a little bit with suppelements depending upon their personal 'sweet spot'. NAC I've found for me suppresses the symptoms some, and aspartame quite strongly magnifies them for a day or two. I use both, oddly enough, though I greatly prefer NAC for a few reasons. I hope you found this comment informative and interesting. I am happy to discuss further and am willing to answer any questions and/or thoughts. <3 :')))) :')))) <3 Thank you.

zone411 3y ago

It appears that people with high-functioning autism and a high IQ have advantages and disadvantages. According to https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2016.00300/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2016.0030..., crystallized intelligence is reduced, verbal skills and comprehension and coding (psychomotor speed, ability to absorb new material, visual motor speed, drive for achievement) are reduced. However, some other factors like image rotation ability, attention to detail and visual search are enhanced. There might be more "deliberative" decision making that tends to reduce biases and errors. According to https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.02.21265802v2.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.02.21265802v..., autistic individuals with exceptional ability suffer disproportionately from high anxiety and low self-worth. It's a mixed bag with tradeoffs and imbalances, but thinking that normies are disabled just shows that you're overvaluing some factors while undervaluing others.

darkerside 3y ago
You may also be perceiving other people's politeness as incompetence

renewiltord 3y ago

God help us. Is it inevitable for every technology forum to eventually descend into proclamations of intellectual superiority?