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Ok, let's say your dog is well behaved. I think we can agree that lots of other people who think that their dog is well behaved actually have a dog that is pote

Ok, let's say your dog is well behaved. I think we can agree that lots of other people who think that their dog is well behaved actually have a dog that is potentially dangerous. How am I supposed to know by looking at you and your dog which it is? So now I get to feel in danger so that you can feel slightly more at home. How does that make sense? This is an excellent example of 'ridiculous government overreach' that actually makes perfect sense and some people just don't like.

omginternets 3y ago
>How does that make sense? In a word: discernment. If it's a miniature poodle, you can probably chill. If it's a big dog, it's probably worthwhile to enforce the law. It actually is a pretty good example of overreach insofar as you're advocating the removal of any judgement call from the equation. That is the surest way to build a relentless bureaucratic machine that makes everyone miserable without actually protecting anyone. The human in the loop is a feature, not a bug.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  because if there's one thing lapdogs are known for, it's a lack of violence. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/05/small-dogs-why-are-tiny-hounds-more-aggressive-than-big-ones https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/... Now consider why it is you didn't know this?
  - omginternets 3y ago
    You are reasoning in terms of total elimination of risk. That is the source of our disagreement.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      I was pointing out your discernment of lapdogs is completely off base from reality, undermining your own point. You respond with a strawman.
deadbeeves 3y ago
If just seeing a dog without a leash is enough for you to feel in danger you probably shouldn't leave your home, let alone go to the park. That aside, you don't have a right to not feel in danger. You don't even have a right to not be in danger, though you do have a right to not be put in danger deliberately or by negligence.
- Buttons840 3y ago
  If they feel threatened by dogs off leashes, that's them, let them live. It seems perfectly reasonable for such a person to go someplace where dogs must be on leashes.
  - deadbeeves 3y ago
    I'm not saying they shouldn't live, I'm saying that if off-leash dogs scare you and you don't want to be scared, you shouldn't be outside. Even if every last dog owner kept their dog on a leash at all times, there would still be some dogs without a leash, and all of them would be outside your house. I assume any person would understand that by the time they reach adulthood and either learn to deal with the fact that some dogs they run into won't have a leash, or they stop going outside if they can't deal with it. Stubbornly refusing to accept reality is childish.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      you've never actually been threatened by a dog off a leash have you?
      - InSteady 3y ago
        I never understood why my high school buddy was so afraid of dogs. I would tease him sometimes because when he saw a large dog, even on a leash, he would edge to the other side of me and act nervous. He's a big and typically brave dude so it was out of character. Plus I just never had a concept of dogs as dangerous based on my childhood experiences. He eventually explained that he grew up in the poor neighborhood, where people keep large, poorly trained "guard dogs" that occasionally escape and roam the streets. As a child he had to evade roaming dogs several times, including one occasion where he genuinely believes he was running for his life. Apparently it fucked him up pretty badly. Poorly trained dogs (especially those that are bread for aggression) are no joke, even to full grown adults.

omginternets 3y ago

>How does that make sense? In a word: discernment. If it's a miniature poodle, you can probably chill. If it's a big dog, it's probably worthwhile to enforce the law. It actually is a pretty good example of overreach insofar as you're advocating the removal of any judgement call from the equation. That is the surest way to build a relentless bureaucratic machine that makes everyone miserable without actually protecting anyone. The human in the loop is a feature, not a bug.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
because if there's one thing lapdogs are known for, it's a lack of violence. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/05/small-dogs-why-are-tiny-hounds-more-aggressive-than-big-ones https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/... Now consider why it is you didn't know this?
- omginternets 3y ago
  You are reasoning in terms of total elimination of risk. That is the source of our disagreement.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    I was pointing out your discernment of lapdogs is completely off base from reality, undermining your own point. You respond with a strawman.

deadbeeves 3y ago

If just seeing a dog without a leash is enough for you to feel in danger you probably shouldn't leave your home, let alone go to the park. That aside, you don't have a right to not feel in danger. You don't even have a right to not be in danger, though you do have a right to not be put in danger deliberately or by negligence.

Buttons840 3y ago
If they feel threatened by dogs off leashes, that's them, let them live. It seems perfectly reasonable for such a person to go someplace where dogs must be on leashes.
- deadbeeves 3y ago
  I'm not saying they shouldn't live, I'm saying that if off-leash dogs scare you and you don't want to be scared, you shouldn't be outside. Even if every last dog owner kept their dog on a leash at all times, there would still be some dogs without a leash, and all of them would be outside your house. I assume any person would understand that by the time they reach adulthood and either learn to deal with the fact that some dogs they run into won't have a leash, or they stop going outside if they can't deal with it. Stubbornly refusing to accept reality is childish.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    you've never actually been threatened by a dog off a leash have you?
    - InSteady 3y ago
      I never understood why my high school buddy was so afraid of dogs. I would tease him sometimes because when he saw a large dog, even on a leash, he would edge to the other side of me and act nervous. He's a big and typically brave dude so it was out of character. Plus I just never had a concept of dogs as dangerous based on my childhood experiences. He eventually explained that he grew up in the poor neighborhood, where people keep large, poorly trained "guard dogs" that occasionally escape and roam the streets. As a child he had to evade roaming dogs several times, including one occasion where he genuinely believes he was running for his life. Apparently it fucked him up pretty badly. Poorly trained dogs (especially those that are bread for aggression) are no joke, even to full grown adults.