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Mmm... I think there's a danger here. The example "coup de grâce", for example, should be pronounced with the final "s" sound. Otherwise it sounds like "coup de

Mmm... I think there's a danger here. The example "coup de grâce", for example, should be pronounced with the final "s" sound. Otherwise it sounds like "coup de gras", ("strike of fat" instead of "strike of mercy"). But the YouTube videos accidentally leave out the final S. Maybe it's a Britishism? I dunno. Wiktionary calls this a "hyperforeignism", and if you just copy the YouTube videos, you'd never know the difference... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coup_de_gr%C3%A2ce https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coup_de_gr%C3%A2ce https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ngpq7m/psa_youre_probably_pronouncing_the_rune_coup_de/ https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ngpq7m/psa... https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coup%20de%20grace https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coup%20de%20grace

benatkin 3y ago
Usually it's for the better. The second most populous country that's located in two different continents and doesn't have more than 10% of its population on islands should not be called Turkey (I said Pavo to because I mistakenly thought it was translated like that to Spanish, and meant to emphasize that it was called Turkey which also means the bird). I also don't mind if I don't hear the word "Cocoa" much anymore (thanks Apple for retiring it - this isn't exactly retired but is partly superseded by SwiftUI and UIKit).
- solardev 3y ago
  > most populous country that's located in two continents should not be called Pavo I don't get this reference :( > Cocoa Co-co? Co-co-ah? What's right?
  - benatkin 3y ago
    (wrong: Turkiye/Turkey used to often be called the spanish word for Turkey.) (corrected for second most, as Russia is also in two continents, not sure it's correct) Cacao. Edit: it appears I was mistaken about Pavo, it was articles in Spanish about the official change in English name from Turkey to Turkiyé. On maps in Spanish I see a lot of other countries with spanish names that are quite different like Costa de Marfil instead of Ivory Coast and Países Bajos instead of Netherlands.
    - seszett 3y ago
      > Russia is also in two continents Egypt is too, as well as the US I suppose (to mention only countries more populated than Turkey). Their population distribution is more unbalanced than Turkey or Russia though.
      - benatkin 3y ago
        Oh, of course :) Though I didn't realize it was more populated than Turkiye.
- toast0 3y ago
  The bird seems to be named after the place, so if we fix how we pronounce and spell the place, we should also fix how we pronounce and spell the bird. Although, the bird was never really from the place at all.
  - benatkin 3y ago
    It seems Erdogan doesn't want us to, but maybe the people of Turkey want us to at this point. It's not clear whether most like the name change. https://www.quora.com/What-do-Turkish-people-think-about-the-changing-of-the-name-Turkey-to-T%C3%BCrkiye https://www.quora.com/What-do-Turkish-people-think-about-the... I guess I'm going to keep calling it Turkey. Edit: looking at Google Maps in English, maybe I hope this will be reversed. This seems to be UN sanctioned bullying by a dictator. Türkiye looks weird in English a way I wouldn't be proud of. There are plenty of other countries where english speakers don't call them the same thing they call themselves. I wasn't aware until your comment that the bird was named after the country, that changes it for me, along with Google Maps putting the dots on the ü on it when it doesn't do that for other countries.
Underphil 3y ago
Possibly a Britishism, like you say. Personally I've never heard the 'S' pronounced here. "Coo du grar" Edit : Just remembered this scene from Kill Bill where Michael Madsen says it : https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/50fcbf85-e7ca-4d07-8242-adb15db16218 https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/50fcbf85-e7ca-4d07-8242-adb15db...
- solardev 3y ago
  Hmm, maybe it's a common mistake on both sides of the pond? Here's an article discussing the same pronunciation in American English: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/22/most-commonly-mispronounced-words-american-english-how-to-say-them-right-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/22/most-commonly-mispronounced-... I think I just happened to learn that phrase in grade school, from a Dungeons and Dragons rulebook lol[1], while I was learning French and witnessing the horror that was "foie gras". So the "de gras" part just never made sense to me, coincidentally. [1] It's an automatic crit against a helpless opponent (https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD:Helpless_Defenders https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD:Helpless_Defenders). Was really useful in Neverwinter Nights when you could paralyze or sleep an enemy then have the melee guy finish 'em off :) Who said games weren't educational?!
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benatkin 3y ago

Usually it's for the better. The second most populous country that's located in two different continents and doesn't have more than 10% of its population on islands should not be called Turkey (I said Pavo to because I mistakenly thought it was translated like that to Spanish, and meant to emphasize that it was called Turkey which also means the bird). I also don't mind if I don't hear the word "Cocoa" much anymore (thanks Apple for retiring it - this isn't exactly retired but is partly superseded by SwiftUI and UIKit).

solardev 3y ago
> most populous country that's located in two continents should not be called Pavo I don't get this reference :( > Cocoa Co-co? Co-co-ah? What's right?
- benatkin 3y ago
  (wrong: Turkiye/Turkey used to often be called the spanish word for Turkey.) (corrected for second most, as Russia is also in two continents, not sure it's correct) Cacao. Edit: it appears I was mistaken about Pavo, it was articles in Spanish about the official change in English name from Turkey to Turkiyé. On maps in Spanish I see a lot of other countries with spanish names that are quite different like Costa de Marfil instead of Ivory Coast and Países Bajos instead of Netherlands.
  - seszett 3y ago
    > Russia is also in two continents Egypt is too, as well as the US I suppose (to mention only countries more populated than Turkey). Their population distribution is more unbalanced than Turkey or Russia though.
    - benatkin 3y ago
      Oh, of course :) Though I didn't realize it was more populated than Turkiye.
toast0 3y ago
The bird seems to be named after the place, so if we fix how we pronounce and spell the place, we should also fix how we pronounce and spell the bird. Although, the bird was never really from the place at all.
- benatkin 3y ago
  It seems Erdogan doesn't want us to, but maybe the people of Turkey want us to at this point. It's not clear whether most like the name change. https://www.quora.com/What-do-Turkish-people-think-about-the-changing-of-the-name-Turkey-to-T%C3%BCrkiye https://www.quora.com/What-do-Turkish-people-think-about-the... I guess I'm going to keep calling it Turkey. Edit: looking at Google Maps in English, maybe I hope this will be reversed. This seems to be UN sanctioned bullying by a dictator. Türkiye looks weird in English a way I wouldn't be proud of. There are plenty of other countries where english speakers don't call them the same thing they call themselves. I wasn't aware until your comment that the bird was named after the country, that changes it for me, along with Google Maps putting the dots on the ü on it when it doesn't do that for other countries.

Underphil 3y ago

Possibly a Britishism, like you say. Personally I've never heard the 'S' pronounced here. "Coo du grar" Edit : Just remembered this scene from Kill Bill where Michael Madsen says it : https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/50fcbf85-e7ca-4d07-8242-adb15db16218 https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/50fcbf85-e7ca-4d07-8242-adb15db...

solardev 3y ago
Hmm, maybe it's a common mistake on both sides of the pond? Here's an article discussing the same pronunciation in American English: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/22/most-commonly-mispronounced-words-american-english-how-to-say-them-right-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/22/most-commonly-mispronounced-... I think I just happened to learn that phrase in grade school, from a Dungeons and Dragons rulebook lol[1], while I was learning French and witnessing the horror that was "foie gras". So the "de gras" part just never made sense to me, coincidentally. [1] It's an automatic crit against a helpless opponent (https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD:Helpless_Defenders https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD:Helpless_Defenders). Was really useful in Neverwinter Nights when you could paralyze or sleep an enemy then have the melee guy finish 'em off :) Who said games weren't educational?!
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