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I'm sorry to tell you this, but this is a complete fantasy that completely ignores the point that was made a couple of comments above. No one is undercutting Go

I'm sorry to tell you this, but this is a complete fantasy that completely ignores the point that was made a couple of comments above. No one is undercutting Google. Period.and that is the point. They have a death grip on the user base. Just look at Twitter, it completely spit in everyone's faces and even still people cannot get out of its grips on them. The only platforms that have even remotely survived are platforms that also own an ad network, or some other secondary source of income (like Kick and their Crypto gambling site or Twitch with their ad stock) as a way to shovel users into that fire. The market cannot solve this and has no incentive to do so. Again, it's a complete fantasy that has not once proven true.

hellojesus 3y ago
> Just look at Twitter, it completely spit in everyone's faces and even still people cannot get out of its grips on them. People can get out of them. People refuse to get out of them. Likely this is because YouTube and Twitter are still the most efficient platforms regardless of their regressions. I used to have FB. Now I don't. I used to have Twitter. Now I don't. I used to have Android. Now I have Grapheneos. I used to use gmail. Now I use Fastmail, Mailcow, and shared hosting. I used to have Instagram. Now I don't. You can decide to not be a user of a service. You can build your own! Or more easily, you can migrate to a competitor. All of this clamoring for more regulation is nonsense. We have a market that can solve these problems. But markets work by votes. The path is harder if you take the road less traveled.
- sweeter 3y ago
  I didn't even mention regulation. You're circle jerking with yourself with a fantasy idea of the "free market" that doesn't exist in reality. You can't consume your way out of large corporations having market dominance, idk where that insane notion even is born.
  - hellojesus 3y ago
    You can entirely consume your way out of it, and you can also build your way out of it. It's not fantasy. This is how markets work; how economies work. Let's look at something like FB. At one point they were absolutely the social company. But other competitors have entered the market. In some instances, new markets were created, like Tiktok. Those new products took users away from FB. In some instances, the users will never return. This has happened precisely because someone somewhere decided to make something and challenge the existing market. > I didn't even mention regulation My bad. I was getting this thread confused with the one about AI regulation.
- intended 3y ago
  “You” a market does not make. People refuse to get out of them is the market. That is the point of their growth and dominance model.
  - hellojesus 3y ago
    > People refuse to get out of them is the market. People refuse to get out of them because they are still the most efficient providers. Regardless of the user experience degradation, YouTube still offers the best product. For example, Rumble doesnt let me start looking for ve events from the beginning. YouTube does. Better experience. My hypothesis: if YouTube only worked on Web Integrity browsers and forced a four hour ad before content was played, people woulf move elsewhere. They havent yet because YT is still the best.
    - intended 3y ago
      I dont understand how people reach these conclusions - when we opened the conversation with discussions on the abuse of market power. AND this is tech. The place that "network effects" was coined.

hellojesus 3y ago

> Just look at Twitter, it completely spit in everyone's faces and even still people cannot get out of its grips on them. People can get out of them. People refuse to get out of them. Likely this is because YouTube and Twitter are still the most efficient platforms regardless of their regressions. I used to have FB. Now I don't. I used to have Twitter. Now I don't. I used to have Android. Now I have Grapheneos. I used to use gmail. Now I use Fastmail, Mailcow, and shared hosting. I used to have Instagram. Now I don't. You can decide to not be a user of a service. You can build your own! Or more easily, you can migrate to a competitor. All of this clamoring for more regulation is nonsense. We have a market that can solve these problems. But markets work by votes. The path is harder if you take the road less traveled.

sweeter 3y ago
I didn't even mention regulation. You're circle jerking with yourself with a fantasy idea of the "free market" that doesn't exist in reality. You can't consume your way out of large corporations having market dominance, idk where that insane notion even is born.
- hellojesus 3y ago
  You can entirely consume your way out of it, and you can also build your way out of it. It's not fantasy. This is how markets work; how economies work. Let's look at something like FB. At one point they were absolutely the social company. But other competitors have entered the market. In some instances, new markets were created, like Tiktok. Those new products took users away from FB. In some instances, the users will never return. This has happened precisely because someone somewhere decided to make something and challenge the existing market. > I didn't even mention regulation My bad. I was getting this thread confused with the one about AI regulation.
intended 3y ago
“You” a market does not make. People refuse to get out of them is the market. That is the point of their growth and dominance model.
- hellojesus 3y ago
  > People refuse to get out of them is the market. People refuse to get out of them because they are still the most efficient providers. Regardless of the user experience degradation, YouTube still offers the best product. For example, Rumble doesnt let me start looking for ve events from the beginning. YouTube does. Better experience. My hypothesis: if YouTube only worked on Web Integrity browsers and forced a four hour ad before content was played, people woulf move elsewhere. They havent yet because YT is still the best.
  - intended 3y ago
    I dont understand how people reach these conclusions - when we opened the conversation with discussions on the abuse of market power. AND this is tech. The place that "network effects" was coined.