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Wayland's X11 support is ready (An Experimental GNOME Shell Running On Wayland)

73 points by p4bl0 15y ago

Symmetry 15y ago
Interesting, but does Phoronix have some sort of editorial policy against every linking to primary sources?
- wmf 15y ago
  I think he's actually reporting live from the whatever summit, so there's not much to link to. Generally Phoronix is much better than the mainstream tech press about linking.
  - wolf550e 15y ago
    In my experice it is terrible at linking. They used to post commit messages from git and changelogs from announcements in mailing lists as their own original content without linking to the source. Without understanding the meaning of many words in the text they were quoting without attribution. I make a decision to never click on a link to phoronix after this happened a number of times.
    - ajross 15y ago
      Yeah, I'm torn on Phoronix. They're a terribly SEO-me-harder experience in a lot of ways (40% ad content on the page, nine-page articles, scraped junk mixed in with the good stuff). That said, their authentic reporting (especially on graphics stuff) is generally among the best available in open source focused blogs. I read them.
      - sciurus 15y ago
        Phoronix is disappointing in many ways, but I have to give them some credit- they're the only ones trawling the mailing lists and commit logs for linux graphics news. If they had an RSS feed that only syndicated those stories, I would read them.
- Tobu 15y ago
  The Phoronix editor just recorded and uploaded video of the talk; that's original content.
koeselitz 15y ago
I wasn't familiar with Wayland; the Wikipedia article about it seems remarkably good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protocol) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protoco...
ek 15y ago
This is great news. Last August there was an article on Phoronix about KDE hoping to migrate to Wayland for SC 4.9: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wayland_kde_2012&num=2 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wayla... Hopefully in 2-3 months, when SC 4.9 is slated for release, we'll have KDE on Wayland. X is aging and is not very lightweight. Wayland brings some nice innovations, like eliminating the need to switch between VTs to differentiate X sessions. The FAQ is also worth reading: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html
- agwa 15y ago
  > Wayland brings some nice innovations, like eliminating the need to switch between VTs to differentiate X sessions. Innovations like these (if not needing to switch VTs even counts as an innovation) pale in comparison to innovations like network transparency, which will be missing at first and eventually present but crippled in Wayland. The ability to ssh to another system, launch a GUI app, and have it display on the system you're SSHing from has always set Unix+X apart from Windows and Mac OS. I can't believe this is being tossed aside so you can have cross-fades and rotating cubes when switching between sessions. It's true that network transparency will be possible with Wayland, but it will be some sort of VNC-like pixel scraping approach, which has never worked as well as native X forwarding. Network transparency will be a second-class citizen in Wayland. See http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2699657&cid=39198273 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2699657&cid=391... for some more disturbing problems with Wayland.
  - sciurus 15y ago
    "The ability to ssh to another system, launch a GUI app, and have it display on the system you're SSHing from has always set Unix+X apart from Windows and Mac OS." I agree wholeheartedly. "I can't believe this is being tossed aside so you can have cross-fades and rotating cubes when switching between sessions." I think you're ignoring most of the motives for Wayland development. "It's true that network transparency will be possible with Wayland, but it will be some sort of VNC-like pixel scraping approach, which has never worked as well as native X forwarding." I disagree. For example, xpra (http://xpra.org/ http://xpra.org/) ships images across the wire and works much better for me than X11 forwarding over both local and remote links. "Network transparency will be a second-class citizen in Wayland." Just because it's not a part of the core protocol doesn't mean it won't be developed and work well. As the phoronix article says, it is under development right now. "See [snip] for some more disturbing problems with Wayland." That looks like trolling. A better link might be http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Wayland-Beyond-X-1432046.html?view=print http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Wayland-Beyond-X-14320...

73 points by p4bl0 15y ago

Symmetry 15y ago

Interesting, but does Phoronix have some sort of editorial policy against every linking to primary sources?

wmf 15y ago
I think he's actually reporting live from the whatever summit, so there's not much to link to. Generally Phoronix is much better than the mainstream tech press about linking.
- wolf550e 15y ago
  In my experice it is terrible at linking. They used to post commit messages from git and changelogs from announcements in mailing lists as their own original content without linking to the source. Without understanding the meaning of many words in the text they were quoting without attribution. I make a decision to never click on a link to phoronix after this happened a number of times.
  - ajross 15y ago
    Yeah, I'm torn on Phoronix. They're a terribly SEO-me-harder experience in a lot of ways (40% ad content on the page, nine-page articles, scraped junk mixed in with the good stuff). That said, their authentic reporting (especially on graphics stuff) is generally among the best available in open source focused blogs. I read them.
    - sciurus 15y ago
      Phoronix is disappointing in many ways, but I have to give them some credit- they're the only ones trawling the mailing lists and commit logs for linux graphics news. If they had an RSS feed that only syndicated those stories, I would read them.
Tobu 15y ago
The Phoronix editor just recorded and uploaded video of the talk; that's original content.

koeselitz 15y ago

I wasn't familiar with Wayland; the Wikipedia article about it seems remarkably good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protocol) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protoco...

ek 15y ago

This is great news. Last August there was an article on Phoronix about KDE hoping to migrate to Wayland for SC 4.9: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wayland_kde_2012&num=2 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=wayla... Hopefully in 2-3 months, when SC 4.9 is slated for release, we'll have KDE on Wayland. X is aging and is not very lightweight. Wayland brings some nice innovations, like eliminating the need to switch between VTs to differentiate X sessions. The FAQ is also worth reading: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html

agwa 15y ago
> Wayland brings some nice innovations, like eliminating the need to switch between VTs to differentiate X sessions. Innovations like these (if not needing to switch VTs even counts as an innovation) pale in comparison to innovations like network transparency, which will be missing at first and eventually present but crippled in Wayland. The ability to ssh to another system, launch a GUI app, and have it display on the system you're SSHing from has always set Unix+X apart from Windows and Mac OS. I can't believe this is being tossed aside so you can have cross-fades and rotating cubes when switching between sessions. It's true that network transparency will be possible with Wayland, but it will be some sort of VNC-like pixel scraping approach, which has never worked as well as native X forwarding. Network transparency will be a second-class citizen in Wayland. See http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2699657&cid=39198273 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2699657&cid=391... for some more disturbing problems with Wayland.
- sciurus 15y ago
  "The ability to ssh to another system, launch a GUI app, and have it display on the system you're SSHing from has always set Unix+X apart from Windows and Mac OS." I agree wholeheartedly. "I can't believe this is being tossed aside so you can have cross-fades and rotating cubes when switching between sessions." I think you're ignoring most of the motives for Wayland development. "It's true that network transparency will be possible with Wayland, but it will be some sort of VNC-like pixel scraping approach, which has never worked as well as native X forwarding." I disagree. For example, xpra (http://xpra.org/ http://xpra.org/) ships images across the wire and works much better for me than X11 forwarding over both local and remote links. "Network transparency will be a second-class citizen in Wayland." Just because it's not a part of the core protocol doesn't mean it won't be developed and work well. As the phoronix article says, it is under development right now. "See [snip] for some more disturbing problems with Wayland." That looks like trolling. A better link might be http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Wayland-Beyond-X-1432046.html?view=print http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Wayland-Beyond-X-14320...