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There's a high correlation between smart people and being on the spectrum. You can likely replace the word "autistic people" with smart people. Just playing th

There's a high correlation between smart people and being on the spectrum. You can likely replace the word "autistic people" with smart people. Just playing the cards here, but if my IQ is 155 and yours is 120. Why should I listen to you? Especially when I see you making what seem to be plain mistakes, which not only hurt yourselves, but create a society where your kids will be less satisfied. Its not like I have the ability to make people do things, that would be a position of authority. Me not accepting me not being responsible for actions with plain evidence I was not in control. Not only proves the point those individuals are responsible for what happened to me, but their inability to accept they should be listening to me makes me most concerned.

gherkinnn 3y ago
There are many high IQ people who are not able to proverbially tie their shoelaces. Or, more literally, shower. So yes, please do listen to your not so smart colleagues. Thanks.
- toasted-subs 3y ago
  Yeah, I actually live near ones of the finest establishments for studying the human brain and there are structural reasons why. Plenty of techniques to get those people working. Problem being it's pretty experimental.
shadowgovt 3y ago
> Why should I listen to you a) because other people listen to that person, and one person's smarts only outstrips the strength multiplier of followers in extraordinary circumstances b) because they're part of the tribe, and like it or not you're gonna be working with them. More useful to everyone to invest resources into figuring out what makes them tick than tuning them out. c) because responsibility is rarely as divestable as one might hope. If my team lead doesn't listen to me and then sets up the team to shit the bed, I can certainly document "I wasn't involved in this decision; I would have done it differently," but the response upper management's gonna give me is "If you knew a better approach, why didn't you coach the team lead to take it?"
- toasted-subs 3y ago
  a) cant argue with you there. b) maximum doubt, it seems most of the people I've met are very agreeable. Especially when introduced to additional information. The problem being the ones who bully people into getting more information instead of asking. It's just rude. C) You are rights, easy to fire the new guy instead of owning up to your own mistakes.
Permit 3y ago
> Just playing the cards here, but if my IQ is 155 and yours is 120. Why should I listen to you? Off the top of my head: - I may know a fact that you do not. Your IQ does not make you aware of things you do not know. - I may have a relationship with someone that you do not. - I may have past experience that you do not. - I may have different values than you. Your higher IQ does not dictate that we should make decisions according to your values. - I may have access to resources (money, engineering teams) that you do not. A meta comment is: If despite your higher IQ you were unable to consider these possibilities then IQ may not be a good proxy for the kind of intelligence a business may value.
- jocaal 3y ago
  "A change of perspective is worth 80 IQ points" - Alan Kay He said that in a video "nornal considered harmful" that you can find on Youtube[1]. He talks about it at 34:29 [1] https://youtu.be/FvmTSpJU-Xc?si=gp3k_6-OrE8yLBnx https://youtu.be/FvmTSpJU-Xc?si=gp3k_6-OrE8yLBnx
- toasted-subs 3y ago
  Doubt. IQ gives meaning to gaining access to additional information. If each individual piece of information reaffirms my previous claims then you were in the wrong from the start.
lawlessone 3y ago
>Just playing the cards here, but if my IQ is 155 and yours is 120. Why should I listen to you? Because we don't live in Gattaca
- toasted-subs 3y ago
  Maximum doubt after I got an IQ test you wouldn't believe the doors that opened for me. Kind of feel like I got left out of a club I should have been the owner of.
strken 3y ago
It's more complicated than that. Autistic people are spread more widely, they are more likely to have very high or very low IQs, and it's not all that useful to generalise. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2022.856084/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2022.8560... It's a little strange to me that everyone accepted the premise of this claim since it's really, really obvious that the situation isn't a straightforward jump in IQ.
JohnBooty 3y ago
Just playing the cards here, but if my IQ is 155 and yours is 120. Why should I listen to you? A few possible reasons, some overlapping to various extents, not applicable to all situations. - The person with 120 IQ is a subject matter expert in this particular matter and you are not. - IQ is an approximation. It is probably the best one we have, but it is a very blunt and generalized metric. It is not evenly distributed across all areas of reasoning and functioning. A person with a 155 IQ or even a 200 IQ is going to be great at many things and awful at others. A person with 120 or even 80 IQ may be better in specific areas. - Both you and the 120 IQ person might be overqualified for the matter at hand, so your "extra" intelligence is irrelevant. - The person with 120 IQ is representing something larger than themselves, the accumulated wisdom of which dwarfs yours (imagine, I don't know, a 120 IQ forest ranger telling you how you should/shouldn't interact with particular flora and fauna) - It may be a situation where it is impractical to have individualized rules for highly intelligent or highly capable individuals.
- toasted-subs 3y ago
  When you have exposures to different fields most of the high level ideas transfer pretty effectively. It would be stupid to not get people on the same platform.
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gherkinnn 3y ago

There are many high IQ people who are not able to proverbially tie their shoelaces. Or, more literally, shower. So yes, please do listen to your not so smart colleagues. Thanks.

toasted-subs 3y ago
Yeah, I actually live near ones of the finest establishments for studying the human brain and there are structural reasons why. Plenty of techniques to get those people working. Problem being it's pretty experimental.

shadowgovt 3y ago

> Why should I listen to you a) because other people listen to that person, and one person's smarts only outstrips the strength multiplier of followers in extraordinary circumstances b) because they're part of the tribe, and like it or not you're gonna be working with them. More useful to everyone to invest resources into figuring out what makes them tick than tuning them out. c) because responsibility is rarely as divestable as one might hope. If my team lead doesn't listen to me and then sets up the team to shit the bed, I can certainly document "I wasn't involved in this decision; I would have done it differently," but the response upper management's gonna give me is "If you knew a better approach, why didn't you coach the team lead to take it?"

toasted-subs 3y ago
a) cant argue with you there. b) maximum doubt, it seems most of the people I've met are very agreeable. Especially when introduced to additional information. The problem being the ones who bully people into getting more information instead of asking. It's just rude. C) You are rights, easy to fire the new guy instead of owning up to your own mistakes.

Permit 3y ago

> Just playing the cards here, but if my IQ is 155 and yours is 120. Why should I listen to you? Off the top of my head: - I may know a fact that you do not. Your IQ does not make you aware of things you do not know. - I may have a relationship with someone that you do not. - I may have past experience that you do not. - I may have different values than you. Your higher IQ does not dictate that we should make decisions according to your values. - I may have access to resources (money, engineering teams) that you do not. A meta comment is: If despite your higher IQ you were unable to consider these possibilities then IQ may not be a good proxy for the kind of intelligence a business may value.

jocaal 3y ago
"A change of perspective is worth 80 IQ points" - Alan Kay He said that in a video "nornal considered harmful" that you can find on Youtube[1]. He talks about it at 34:29 [1] https://youtu.be/FvmTSpJU-Xc?si=gp3k_6-OrE8yLBnx https://youtu.be/FvmTSpJU-Xc?si=gp3k_6-OrE8yLBnx
toasted-subs 3y ago
Doubt. IQ gives meaning to gaining access to additional information. If each individual piece of information reaffirms my previous claims then you were in the wrong from the start.

lawlessone 3y ago

>Just playing the cards here, but if my IQ is 155 and yours is 120. Why should I listen to you? Because we don't live in Gattaca

toasted-subs 3y ago
Maximum doubt after I got an IQ test you wouldn't believe the doors that opened for me. Kind of feel like I got left out of a club I should have been the owner of.

strken 3y ago

It's more complicated than that. Autistic people are spread more widely, they are more likely to have very high or very low IQs, and it's not all that useful to generalise. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2022.856084/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2022.8560... It's a little strange to me that everyone accepted the premise of this claim since it's really, really obvious that the situation isn't a straightforward jump in IQ.

JohnBooty 3y ago

Just playing the cards here, but if my IQ is 155 and yours is 120. Why should I listen to you? A few possible reasons, some overlapping to various extents, not applicable to all situations. - The person with 120 IQ is a subject matter expert in this particular matter and you are not. - IQ is an approximation. It is probably the best one we have, but it is a very blunt and generalized metric. It is not evenly distributed across all areas of reasoning and functioning. A person with a 155 IQ or even a 200 IQ is going to be great at many things and awful at others. A person with 120 or even 80 IQ may be better in specific areas. - Both you and the 120 IQ person might be overqualified for the matter at hand, so your "extra" intelligence is irrelevant. - The person with 120 IQ is representing something larger than themselves, the accumulated wisdom of which dwarfs yours (imagine, I don't know, a 120 IQ forest ranger telling you how you should/shouldn't interact with particular flora and fauna) - It may be a situation where it is impractical to have individualized rules for highly intelligent or highly capable individuals.

toasted-subs 3y ago
When you have exposures to different fields most of the high level ideas transfer pretty effectively. It would be stupid to not get people on the same platform.

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