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Not idolizing, but respecting authority, is just a trait of smart people. The article doesn't provide any references linking it to autism? And common sense wo

Not idolizing, but respecting authority, is just a trait of smart people. The article doesn't provide any references linking it to autism? And common sense would suggest that knowing what others can do to you and how to treat them is a kind of social intelligence.

riversflow 3y ago
> Respecting authority, is just a trait of smart people. Is it though? I thought drug experimentation was linked to people with a higher IQ. [1] That would sort suggest the opposite. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/high-iq-kids-later-try-drugs-more-11-11-22/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/high-iq-k...
- alphazard 3y ago
  The way I would apply "not idolize, but respect" to drug use is that the people who made the drug laws don't have your best interest in mind. So you shouldn't factor their wishes/opinions into whether you personally use drugs. They don't know better just because they are an authority. However some drugs are still illegal, and there are people paid to find people in possession of these drugs and ruin their lives. You would do well to respect those people and their capabilities. I don't see many smart people smoking weed in front of cops. Although I would guess many smart people have experimented, as you suggest.
Ographer 3y ago
The article is saying that autistic people DO know how they should respect authority, however they won't necessarily do all of those things just for the sake of boot licking (feeding the authority figure's ego). For example, when I got a new boss and all the underlings went to them and start chatting about the boss's favorite sports teams and hobbies to get on their good side. I refused to do that. I'll be friendly, like any other new hire. Another example might be if an officer asks for your ID, most people might blindly give it to end the situation. An autistic person may choose to refuse based solely on the morals of the situation. If it isn't legally necessary to present an ID, then one shouldn't have to, and they will have lost respect for the police's authority because they are not playing fairly and didn't earn it.
- ikjasdlk2234 3y ago
  > For example, when I got a new boss and all the underlings went to them and start chatting about the boss's favorite sports teams and hobbies to get on their good side. I refused to do that. I'll be friendly, like any other new hire. I don't know if I would consider this to be only getting on their good side. In many cases, if I am going to spend a significant amount of my life working with someone, I do want to get to know a bit about them and that includes their hobbies and interests outside of work. To me, that is being friendly and I also do that with new hires.
  - Ographer 3y ago
    I have second guessed myself for years over this. When we went to get drinks the first week, he told a co-worker that his wife is into horseback barrel racing. I saw some common ground and said how I used to do barrel racing when I was a kid and how it's a cool sport. He looked at me funny and said, "heh, I find that hard to picture/believe" or something like that. In every interaction, I felt like I was being put down. Maybe he thought that criticizing everything I did was going to make me try harder, or suck up more, but for me it did the opposite. Encouragement is what makes me try harder. I also had my own internal bias. I was the nerdy city slicker and he was the tough ex-military, country guy. I think we both projected stereotypes on each other. I know I didn't do myself any favors with my behavior, but I continued out of principle.
    - ikjasdlk2234 3y ago
      Anyone who is putting you down for being genuinely interested is not someone worth your time. Sorry you had to go through that. A good manager will find ways to communicate with each individual, usually in an individualized fashion (I say this as an ex-military, but nerdy city slicker guy). Sometimes it takes me a few tries to figure it out for everyone, but it's been helpful to connect with everyone on my team and even outside collaborators.

riversflow 3y ago

> Respecting authority, is just a trait of smart people. Is it though? I thought drug experimentation was linked to people with a higher IQ. [1] That would sort suggest the opposite. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/high-iq-kids-later-try-drugs-more-11-11-22/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/high-iq-k...

alphazard 3y ago
The way I would apply "not idolize, but respect" to drug use is that the people who made the drug laws don't have your best interest in mind. So you shouldn't factor their wishes/opinions into whether you personally use drugs. They don't know better just because they are an authority. However some drugs are still illegal, and there are people paid to find people in possession of these drugs and ruin their lives. You would do well to respect those people and their capabilities. I don't see many smart people smoking weed in front of cops. Although I would guess many smart people have experimented, as you suggest.

Ographer 3y ago

The article is saying that autistic people DO know how they should respect authority, however they won't necessarily do all of those things just for the sake of boot licking (feeding the authority figure's ego). For example, when I got a new boss and all the underlings went to them and start chatting about the boss's favorite sports teams and hobbies to get on their good side. I refused to do that. I'll be friendly, like any other new hire. Another example might be if an officer asks for your ID, most people might blindly give it to end the situation. An autistic person may choose to refuse based solely on the morals of the situation. If it isn't legally necessary to present an ID, then one shouldn't have to, and they will have lost respect for the police's authority because they are not playing fairly and didn't earn it.

ikjasdlk2234 3y ago
> For example, when I got a new boss and all the underlings went to them and start chatting about the boss's favorite sports teams and hobbies to get on their good side. I refused to do that. I'll be friendly, like any other new hire. I don't know if I would consider this to be only getting on their good side. In many cases, if I am going to spend a significant amount of my life working with someone, I do want to get to know a bit about them and that includes their hobbies and interests outside of work. To me, that is being friendly and I also do that with new hires.
- Ographer 3y ago
  I have second guessed myself for years over this. When we went to get drinks the first week, he told a co-worker that his wife is into horseback barrel racing. I saw some common ground and said how I used to do barrel racing when I was a kid and how it's a cool sport. He looked at me funny and said, "heh, I find that hard to picture/believe" or something like that. In every interaction, I felt like I was being put down. Maybe he thought that criticizing everything I did was going to make me try harder, or suck up more, but for me it did the opposite. Encouragement is what makes me try harder. I also had my own internal bias. I was the nerdy city slicker and he was the tough ex-military, country guy. I think we both projected stereotypes on each other. I know I didn't do myself any favors with my behavior, but I continued out of principle.
  - ikjasdlk2234 3y ago
    Anyone who is putting you down for being genuinely interested is not someone worth your time. Sorry you had to go through that. A good manager will find ways to communicate with each individual, usually in an individualized fashion (I say this as an ex-military, but nerdy city slicker guy). Sometimes it takes me a few tries to figure it out for everyone, but it's been helpful to connect with everyone on my team and even outside collaborators.