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Another way to phrase this from an Autistic PoV to an authority figure: You are no better than I. --- That really upsets certain people. The Monty Python an

Another way to phrase this from an Autistic PoV to an authority figure: You are no better than I. --- That really upsets certain people. The Monty Python and the Holy Grail scene with the peasants debating supreme authority with King Arthur is a good representation of this. NB: This isn't a SovCit situation where one doesn't recognize society around them, nor does it imply resisting authority as a Sovcit might want do. And of course, no autistic person is the same. Symptoms, limits, and so on are different for everyone.

candiddevmike 3y ago
I wish everyone had this perspective. Also the opposite: you are no worse than me.
- digging 3y ago
  We're both just apes born knowing nothing about the world, doing our best to satisfy the values we learned from other apes.
  - n3storm 3y ago
    An atoms, don't forget we are atoms trying to satisfy any Newtonian and non Newtonian rules
    - digging 3y ago
      No reason to stop there. Unless you believe in some form of metaphysical soul, our entire existence, even our personal inner thoughts, is just vibrations in quantum fields acting according to their intrinsic mathematical nature. I couldn't type this message if the universe wasn't capable of performing self-reflection inside small bubbles of itself, based entirely on its physical nature.
      - n3storm 3y ago
        Metaphysics is just another non Newtonian set of physics
- RC_ITR 3y ago
  Yeah - honestly the hardest part about having a discourse on homelessness here (or anywhere else). People just need to believe that homeless people are inherently bad in some way. It makes it really hard to discuss solutions, since they’re all “drug addicts who should be in jail.”
analog31 3y ago
afaik not just autistic but any non authoritarian person.
strangesmells02 3y ago
I'm always struggled with these types of people who think they're better than you and expect you to treat them as such. The weird part is if you show them up or prove that you're better than them in some way they become extremely ass kissing. I find it disingenuous and nauseating and it seems that a lot of people are like this if not most people. Maybe this is just the normal human hierarchy at work and I have autism and I don't connect with it. I just try to treat everyone equally. I guess I'm the weirdo.
- akomtu 3y ago
  What's being discussed here looks a lot like one of the three negative individualisation types: by striving to be better than peers in order to look down upon them, by imitating the greater ones for personal gain, and by the fear of the greater ones.
JohnBooty 3y ago
Another way to phrase this from an Autistic PoV to an authority figure: You are no better than I. Does a person really have to be "better" than you to act as some sort of authority in a particular context? How about the gate agent at the airport, who boards and deboards people from the plane? I don't necessarily love listening to that person, but I accept that we probably need somebody doing that job so that we can hopefully get the plane boarded and deboarded in some sort of nonchaotic way. The thought of whether or not this person is "better" than me seems rather bizarre. They probably know how to board a plane better than me, and even if they don't, it's generally still going to be better than 200 arriving and departing passengers devolving into a free-for-all because they have 200 competing opinions of how things should work. Generally, most sorts of "authority" I experience on a daily basis fall into this sort of mental bin for me. Obviously that's a rather trivial example. What's the logical endpoint of "nobody is better than me" or "nobody is better than anybody?" Just like, no rules whatsoever for anybody, unless you explicitly opt-in to some specific rule or authority figure you happen to like? And how does this even relate to autism and/or one's (lack of) empathy?
- nullindividual 3y ago
  > Does a person really have to be "better" than you to act as some sort of authority in a particular context? There's a good likelihood that an authority figure _does_ see themselves as better than subordinates, yes. > no rules whatsoever for anybody, unless you explicitly opt-in to some specific rule or authority figure you happen to like? This is a Sovcit scenario, one I specifically avoided.
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    There's a good likelihood that an authority figure _does_ see themselves as better than subordinates, yes. I always knew the ticket-taker at the movie theater was looking down his nose at me.
- dormo 3y ago
  The problem is when authority figures act like they're better than you. This is colloquially referred to as a "power trip". The effects of this can range from annoying (some assistant manager at a store on a power trip) to potentially life-changing or life-ending (a cop on a power trip).

candiddevmike 3y ago

I wish everyone had this perspective. Also the opposite: you are no worse than me.

digging 3y ago
We're both just apes born knowing nothing about the world, doing our best to satisfy the values we learned from other apes.
- n3storm 3y ago
  An atoms, don't forget we are atoms trying to satisfy any Newtonian and non Newtonian rules
  - digging 3y ago
    No reason to stop there. Unless you believe in some form of metaphysical soul, our entire existence, even our personal inner thoughts, is just vibrations in quantum fields acting according to their intrinsic mathematical nature. I couldn't type this message if the universe wasn't capable of performing self-reflection inside small bubbles of itself, based entirely on its physical nature.
    - n3storm 3y ago
      Metaphysics is just another non Newtonian set of physics
RC_ITR 3y ago
Yeah - honestly the hardest part about having a discourse on homelessness here (or anywhere else). People just need to believe that homeless people are inherently bad in some way. It makes it really hard to discuss solutions, since they’re all “drug addicts who should be in jail.”

analog31 3y ago

afaik not just autistic but any non authoritarian person.

strangesmells02 3y ago

I'm always struggled with these types of people who think they're better than you and expect you to treat them as such. The weird part is if you show them up or prove that you're better than them in some way they become extremely ass kissing. I find it disingenuous and nauseating and it seems that a lot of people are like this if not most people. Maybe this is just the normal human hierarchy at work and I have autism and I don't connect with it. I just try to treat everyone equally. I guess I'm the weirdo.

akomtu 3y ago
What's being discussed here looks a lot like one of the three negative individualisation types: by striving to be better than peers in order to look down upon them, by imitating the greater ones for personal gain, and by the fear of the greater ones.

JohnBooty 3y ago

Another way to phrase this from an Autistic PoV to an authority figure: You are no better than I. Does a person really have to be "better" than you to act as some sort of authority in a particular context? How about the gate agent at the airport, who boards and deboards people from the plane? I don't necessarily love listening to that person, but I accept that we probably need somebody doing that job so that we can hopefully get the plane boarded and deboarded in some sort of nonchaotic way. The thought of whether or not this person is "better" than me seems rather bizarre. They probably know how to board a plane better than me, and even if they don't, it's generally still going to be better than 200 arriving and departing passengers devolving into a free-for-all because they have 200 competing opinions of how things should work. Generally, most sorts of "authority" I experience on a daily basis fall into this sort of mental bin for me. Obviously that's a rather trivial example. What's the logical endpoint of "nobody is better than me" or "nobody is better than anybody?" Just like, no rules whatsoever for anybody, unless you explicitly opt-in to some specific rule or authority figure you happen to like? And how does this even relate to autism and/or one's (lack of) empathy?

nullindividual 3y ago
> Does a person really have to be "better" than you to act as some sort of authority in a particular context? There's a good likelihood that an authority figure _does_ see themselves as better than subordinates, yes. > no rules whatsoever for anybody, unless you explicitly opt-in to some specific rule or authority figure you happen to like? This is a Sovcit scenario, one I specifically avoided.
- JohnBooty 3y ago
  There's a good likelihood that an authority figure _does_ see themselves as better than subordinates, yes. I always knew the ticket-taker at the movie theater was looking down his nose at me.
dormo 3y ago
The problem is when authority figures act like they're better than you. This is colloquially referred to as a "power trip". The effects of this can range from annoying (some assistant manager at a store on a power trip) to potentially life-changing or life-ending (a cop on a power trip).