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I don't care about Qualcomm and its ARM offerings for the PC - Windows side there's no reason to and Linux side because hardware longevity will be hobbled by la

I don't care about Qualcomm and its ARM offerings for the PC - Windows side there's no reason to and Linux side because hardware longevity will be hobbled by lacking kernel and driver support beyond the first year or two. You can't really beat Intel and AMD unless you're at least as good as supporting the hardware and peripherals and for as long. I can see Intel and AMD getting better at power use but I have a hard time seeing ARM ecosystem become as open as the PC one.

wmf 3y ago
For desktop Linux, Qualcomm and the community are upstreaming drivers so you should be able to upgrade the kernel.
- lvass 3y ago
  AFAICT, you still can't boot linux on snapdragon 7c gen2 laptops which released over 2 years ago. Using windows on them really sucks too.
  - wmf 3y ago
    The 8cx series are pretty expensive and slow so I imagine the 7c series are just trash. Linux is making good progress on the 8cx gen 3.
Terretta 3y ago
> You can't really beat Intel and AMD unless you're at least as good as supporting the hardware Worth a read: Amazon is the most successful manufacturer of Arm server chips, accounting for just over half of Arm-based server CPUs currently deployed, while some chipmakers are also now betting on Arm-based Windows PCs. This information comes from a report issued by Bernstein Research which estimates that nearly 10 percent of servers across the world contain Arm processors, and 40 percent of those are located in China, as we reported earlier. But that total is beaten by just one company – Amazon – which has slightly above 50 percent of all Arm server CPUs in the world deployed in its Amazon Web Services (AWS) datacenters, said the analyst. https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/08/amazon_arm_servers/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/08/amazon_arm_servers/
- pbalcer 3y ago
  So? The fact that the most successful Arm server product is a proprietary one designed and used exclusively by one company literally proves OP point. It's much easier to support such deployment if you are its designer and sole user.
TYPE_FASTER 3y ago
If this chip is comparable to a M2, then I would bet on Microsoft investing more in Windows 11 on ARM. There is value for them across all their product lines, from Surface devices where performance vs. efficiency is important from a battery life perspective, to Azure, where competitive products are rolling out ARM support that is really compelling from a cost perspective.
- GeekyBear 3y ago
  The only place that this makes sense over Intel/AMD on the Windows side is for laptops where ARM offers lower power draw, less heat, and longer battery life. For a desktop, if you don't care about power and heat, then this will have inferior performance. Nuvia had a core designed for server chips when Qualcomm bought them, and Qualcomm publishing benchmarks at an 80 watt TDP, tells me that their chip isn't going to be well positioned to compete on power draw, heat and battery life against next year's chips, especially without any sort of efficiency core at all.

wmf 3y ago

For desktop Linux, Qualcomm and the community are upstreaming drivers so you should be able to upgrade the kernel.

lvass 3y ago
AFAICT, you still can't boot linux on snapdragon 7c gen2 laptops which released over 2 years ago. Using windows on them really sucks too.
- wmf 3y ago
  The 8cx series are pretty expensive and slow so I imagine the 7c series are just trash. Linux is making good progress on the 8cx gen 3.

Terretta 3y ago

> You can't really beat Intel and AMD unless you're at least as good as supporting the hardware Worth a read: Amazon is the most successful manufacturer of Arm server chips, accounting for just over half of Arm-based server CPUs currently deployed, while some chipmakers are also now betting on Arm-based Windows PCs. This information comes from a report issued by Bernstein Research which estimates that nearly 10 percent of servers across the world contain Arm processors, and 40 percent of those are located in China, as we reported earlier. But that total is beaten by just one company – Amazon – which has slightly above 50 percent of all Arm server CPUs in the world deployed in its Amazon Web Services (AWS) datacenters, said the analyst. https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/08/amazon_arm_servers/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/08/amazon_arm_servers/

pbalcer 3y ago
So? The fact that the most successful Arm server product is a proprietary one designed and used exclusively by one company literally proves OP point. It's much easier to support such deployment if you are its designer and sole user.

TYPE_FASTER 3y ago

If this chip is comparable to a M2, then I would bet on Microsoft investing more in Windows 11 on ARM. There is value for them across all their product lines, from Surface devices where performance vs. efficiency is important from a battery life perspective, to Azure, where competitive products are rolling out ARM support that is really compelling from a cost perspective.

GeekyBear 3y ago
The only place that this makes sense over Intel/AMD on the Windows side is for laptops where ARM offers lower power draw, less heat, and longer battery life. For a desktop, if you don't care about power and heat, then this will have inferior performance. Nuvia had a core designed for server chips when Qualcomm bought them, and Qualcomm publishing benchmarks at an 80 watt TDP, tells me that their chip isn't going to be well positioned to compete on power draw, heat and battery life against next year's chips, especially without any sort of efficiency core at all.