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I think this response is wrong-headed on multiple counts. It is emotional rhetoric, pretending to be a reasoned argument. > This is basically correct Why is i
by lproven 3y ago
I think this response is wrong-headed on multiple counts. It is emotional rhetoric, pretending to be a reasoned argument.
> This is basically correct
Why is it correct? Says who?
> and it is the thing that every climate activist does not seem to understand.
I think it is you that does not understand how and why people are reacting.
> then you have entered into the realm of political economy.
False assertion.
"You like having an economy: in general, having money and trade. If you do not do these things, nobody will have money."
... is not a political statement. To say it is, is to say that a statement such as:
"Watch out, there's a car coming!"
... is a manifesto about transport issues.
> Except to do that, we have to end almost all transportation, reduce electricity usage substantially, stop using all concrete, stop flying airplanes, stop eating beef, stop using petrochemical fertilizers, etc.
That sounds largely correct.
But then:
> It is not an exaggeration to say that billions of people would die within 12 months.
Yes, it is. Stopping personal ICE vehicle transport, stopping non-essential flights, stopping all meat eating, stop using all petrochemicals...
That does not spell doom for billions.
Yours is the emotional exaggeration here.
> if it's your position that the most important thing right now is to stop emitting carbon [...] then your position is utterly insane
This is a standard, if very strange to me, right-wing political tactic: take what you are doing, accuse your opponents of doing it, then mock it.
It is, in a word, BS. It is crude appeal to emotion, and it is lying.
An honest response would be "we have left it too late and so now billions will die". But you are being nothing but dishonest, while role-playing some kind of square-jawed straight-talker or something.
It is too late. The only question now is how bad it will be and if the blows can be softened.
If you're too busy for more than 3min of reading, read this:
https://www.okdoomer.io/10-reasons-our-civilization-will-soon-collapse/ https://www.okdoomer.io/10-reasons-our-civilization-will-soo...
If you've got an hour, read this:
https://medium.com/@samyoureyes/the-busy-workers-handbook-to-the-apocalypse-7790666afde7 https://medium.com/@samyoureyes/the-busy-workers-handbook-to...
Both well cited, both lacking rhetoric, both taking a cold hard look at where we stand.
While your are trying to mock your perceived opponents by misstating what they are saying and doing, and you should be ashamed.
- soupfordummies 3y ago>> "Climate change will cause agricultural failure and subsequent collapse of hyperfragile modern civilization, likely within 10–15 years. By 2050 total human population will likely be under 2 billion. Humans, along with most other animals, will go extinct before the end of this century. These impacts are locked in and cannot be averted." If you truly believe that then why are you wasting time on HN?
- lproven 3y agoFinding news to write about for my job. Can you point me to what I could do with an extra 15min a day that will avert global collapse? ... Thought not.
- sverona 3y agoI'm a collapsenik and even I think TBWHTTA is unhelpfully overstating its case. We're screwed, but not that screwed.