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In that story the wolves ultimately did come, and the sheep were lost (along with the boy). Maybe if the town had invested in having two watchers, or in fences

In that story the wolves ultimately did come, and the sheep were lost (along with the boy). Maybe if the town had invested in having two watchers, or in fences and barns, they never would have lost their herd.

DangitBobby 3y ago
Yes, which is precisely why I made the comment! The wolves are coming, but this person has seen "crisis" and "emergency" called for every little thing and now they just don't believe it anymore.
- esarbe 3y ago
  What is it the fault of this crisis that we have been ignoring it for 50 years? Climate scientists have for years warned that we were running into a catastrophe and now you blame them for... trying warn us? What other strategy for publicizing would you have preferred? That climate scientists sit on this knowledge until the problem is a crisis right here and now, so that we would take it really, really serious? That doesn't seem like a rational strategy. But that's just my understanding of your argument.
  - DangitBobby 3y ago
    In the original comment I interpreted this: > But we’ve been hearing “just x years left until catastrophe” for decades now. It always results in higher taxes, fewer freedoms, and the crisis never abates. Not as "[creating policies to address climate change] always results in higher taxes...", but as "[creating policies to address whatever hyped up crisis] always results in higher taxes...". In other words, a history of alarmism and bullshit has this person jaded and eroded their trust in policymakers. I'm probably wrong. Anyway... For climate change specifically, I see lots of people crying about alarmism, and I've made basically the exact same comment you're making now. What are you supposed to do if there really is something alarming goin g on, meekly suggest a diet and hope people realize it's existential? I personally think governments aren't doing enough and we are totally fucked despite ample warning from scientists (doing the right thing) because we'd rather die than lose some modern conveniences.

DangitBobby 3y ago

Yes, which is precisely why I made the comment! The wolves are coming, but this person has seen "crisis" and "emergency" called for every little thing and now they just don't believe it anymore.

esarbe 3y ago
What is it the fault of this crisis that we have been ignoring it for 50 years? Climate scientists have for years warned that we were running into a catastrophe and now you blame them for... trying warn us? What other strategy for publicizing would you have preferred? That climate scientists sit on this knowledge until the problem is a crisis right here and now, so that we would take it really, really serious? That doesn't seem like a rational strategy. But that's just my understanding of your argument.
- DangitBobby 3y ago
  In the original comment I interpreted this: > But we’ve been hearing “just x years left until catastrophe” for decades now. It always results in higher taxes, fewer freedoms, and the crisis never abates. Not as "[creating policies to address climate change] always results in higher taxes...", but as "[creating policies to address whatever hyped up crisis] always results in higher taxes...". In other words, a history of alarmism and bullshit has this person jaded and eroded their trust in policymakers. I'm probably wrong. Anyway... For climate change specifically, I see lots of people crying about alarmism, and I've made basically the exact same comment you're making now. What are you supposed to do if there really is something alarming goin g on, meekly suggest a diet and hope people realize it's existential? I personally think governments aren't doing enough and we are totally fucked despite ample warning from scientists (doing the right thing) because we'd rather die than lose some modern conveniences.