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I walked by a guy chatting near his 4x4 engine turned on, asked him if he could turn it down, [some not polite response], I explain it's because of pollution, [

I walked by a guy chatting near his 4x4 engine turned on, asked him if he could turn it down, [some not polite response], I explain it's because of pollution, [we don't care about pollution], I said we very much do. That tells how far we are from this concern with average people

nonameking2026 3y ago
Pollution!=climate change from co2
- 11235813213455 3y ago
  both have nefast and tied consequences
INeedMoreRam 3y ago
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eddtries 3y ago
A lot of people argue what’s the point when the normal individual is so much less responsible than the billionaires, and the normal country is so much less than the largest
- 11235813213455 3y ago
  it's really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox, normal people impact is lower, but they are more numerous, we are sand grains
  - eddtries 3y ago
    Maybe, but tell that to the individual! I’m cynical against peoples behaviour, I truly believe we won’t change and funds/research should be directed to mitigation than prevention.
  - hotnfresh 3y ago
    The trouble is that notably cutting personal carbon emissions comes at a fairly high individual cost, but has basically no effect unless a whole lot of other people do it, too. If they don’t, you’ve harmed yourself significantly for effectively no reason—no meaningful good was accomplished. The greater direct effect at much lower real personal cost, for billionaires, plus the greater likelihood of their influencing others to follow suit, makes the calculus a bit different for them. The tragedy of the commons is a real sonofabitch.
    - CapstanRoller 3y ago
      >The tragedy of the commons is a real sonofabitch. The "tragedy of the commons" is a propaganda tool used to justify privatization of the commons. The commons were reasonably well-managed until a small number of people decided to extract maximum profit from them (and damn the consequences). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose from off the common But leaves the greater villain loose Who steals the common from off the goose The law demands that we atone When we take things we do not own But leaves the lords and ladies fine Who take things that are yours and mine The poor and wretched don't escape If they conspire the law to break This must be so but they endure Those who conspire to make the law The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose from off the common And geese will still a common lack Till they go and steal it back
sampli 3y ago
What’s a 4x4 engine?
paulcole 3y ago
> I said we very much do Do we (as a society/species) though? If we cared about climate change we'd be doing something about climate change. And we're really not. Everybody cares about somebody else making changes in their life to reduce pollution but how many people actually make meaningful change in their own lives? And if you ask somebody to consider drastic change in their own life – driving as little as possible, never flying in airplanes, buying significantly less stuff in general, not having kids, not eating meat, living in apartments rather than single-family homes, etc. they'll just say the corporations are the problem and anything they do wouldn't matter at all. I'm kind of at the point where I say we just all let our own metaphorical 4x4 engines run and see what happens. Most of us reading this will be long dead before anything heinous happens to us (or we're wealthy enough to be insulated enough from the effects to where we'll get by OK).
- MiguelX413 3y ago
  I don't think it's hard to detach from consumerism.

nonameking2026 3y ago

Pollution!=climate change from co2

11235813213455 3y ago
both have nefast and tied consequences

INeedMoreRam 3y ago

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eddtries 3y ago

A lot of people argue what’s the point when the normal individual is so much less responsible than the billionaires, and the normal country is so much less than the largest

11235813213455 3y ago
it's really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox, normal people impact is lower, but they are more numerous, we are sand grains
- eddtries 3y ago
  Maybe, but tell that to the individual! I’m cynical against peoples behaviour, I truly believe we won’t change and funds/research should be directed to mitigation than prevention.
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  The trouble is that notably cutting personal carbon emissions comes at a fairly high individual cost, but has basically no effect unless a whole lot of other people do it, too. If they don’t, you’ve harmed yourself significantly for effectively no reason—no meaningful good was accomplished. The greater direct effect at much lower real personal cost, for billionaires, plus the greater likelihood of their influencing others to follow suit, makes the calculus a bit different for them. The tragedy of the commons is a real sonofabitch.
  - CapstanRoller 3y ago
    >The tragedy of the commons is a real sonofabitch. The "tragedy of the commons" is a propaganda tool used to justify privatization of the commons. The commons were reasonably well-managed until a small number of people decided to extract maximum profit from them (and damn the consequences). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose from off the common But leaves the greater villain loose Who steals the common from off the goose The law demands that we atone When we take things we do not own But leaves the lords and ladies fine Who take things that are yours and mine The poor and wretched don't escape If they conspire the law to break This must be so but they endure Those who conspire to make the law The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose from off the common And geese will still a common lack Till they go and steal it back

sampli 3y ago

What’s a 4x4 engine?

paulcole 3y ago

> I said we very much do Do we (as a society/species) though? If we cared about climate change we'd be doing something about climate change. And we're really not. Everybody cares about somebody else making changes in their life to reduce pollution but how many people actually make meaningful change in their own lives? And if you ask somebody to consider drastic change in their own life – driving as little as possible, never flying in airplanes, buying significantly less stuff in general, not having kids, not eating meat, living in apartments rather than single-family homes, etc. they'll just say the corporations are the problem and anything they do wouldn't matter at all. I'm kind of at the point where I say we just all let our own metaphorical 4x4 engines run and see what happens. Most of us reading this will be long dead before anything heinous happens to us (or we're wealthy enough to be insulated enough from the effects to where we'll get by OK).

MiguelX413 3y ago
I don't think it's hard to detach from consumerism.