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>Non-soldered storage. Seriously. Storage is the most likely component to fail. SSDs only have so many write cycles. One thing to note is the quality of Apple’

by Dig1t 3y ago

>Non-soldered storage. Seriously. Storage is the most likely component to fail. SSDs only have so many write cycles. One thing to note is the quality of Apple’s storage is above and beyond anything else you can buy. They have teams at every level of the storage stack and have an amazing focus on quality. From individual chips all the way up to the filesystem, all of the software is customized to extend the lifespan of the device. They do wear-leveling so the larger the drive you buy with your device the longer the device will last, but honestly the drives they come with will last much longer than 99.9 of people will ever actually use a Mac.

KETHERCORTEX 3y ago
> One thing to note is the quality of Apple’s storage is above and beyond anything else you can buy. Average good experience of other users doesn't make a guy having a failing SSD feel any better. The absence of easy repair/replacement just adds an insult to injury. > They do wear-leveling so the larger the drive you buy with your device the longer the device will last Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like a description of an average modern SSD. Heck, I was reading similar things about wear leveling regarding USB drives, like, a decade and a half ago.
- droopyEyelids 3y ago
  Where is the evidence of failing Mac SSDs? I think you're being overly creative in your interpretation of average, like you're imagining a bunch of people people that have it fail after a year of regular use and then others that have it fail after 30 to 'average it out' and mask a bad experience for many people.
ksec 3y ago
>all of the software is customized to extend the lifespan of the device It is widely known macOS paging out a lot more than Windows. On a multiTab Safari you could easily have 100GB write or higher per day. Kernel_Task lock up are extremely common on google search.
- seec 3y ago
  Thank god I'm not the only one to know that. Peoples keep talking about the awesome efficiency of Apple software but this happened to me and I trashed quite a few SSDs. Supposedly macOS is more efficient with the hardware but having built hackintoshs I know it is the reverse. Apple fanboys are so confident in their bullshit that it is hard to trust your own experience. For clarity I am still a macOS and Apple user. Not for long though, I won't buy new Apple hardware until they change their ways. Got the iPhone 12 mini and deeply regret it, even though the physical format is pretty nice.
ttfkam 3y ago
Watch the video I linked. Modern Macs are a single capacitor failure away from shorting 13v straight to those "amazing focus on quality" SSD chips. Either one of the two chips dies, you have a brick. No booting from external drive. Nothing. A brick. All because one capacitor fails. If it were just a matter of replacing a capacitor, I'd agree with you. But the wiring decisions from their "amazing focus" defaults to a 13v short to storage chips—all your files AND the BIOS up in a puff of literal smoke. And finally, Apple doesn't design and manufacture solid state storage devices. They contract out to other companies. Those other companies also sell NVMe storage devices with substantially similar chip designs. Don't believe the hype. A ten cent capacitor taking out a $3K laptop isn't "above and beyond"; it's penny pinching at the expense of reliability with no concessions made to either repairability or resilience.
- droopyEyelids 3y ago
  You guys who are rossmann-pilled should put that as a disclaimer in your comments.
  - ttfkam 3y ago
    Guilt by association and/or ad hominem are weak sauce. What part was factually inaccurate? • That storage is soldered unlike the vast majority of laptops on the market, which use standard NVMe sticks? • That the BIOS is stored in those soldered SSD chips making a single point of failure? • That if even one of the chips fails, you lose all the data including the BIOS boot logic and brick the device? • That the board layout sends 13v down the rail directly to the aforementioned SSD chips on capacitor failure? • That they cannot be repaired anymore, even by experienced professionals? • That replacement parts that aren't severely compromised (unknown number of write cycles for SSD chips) simply aren't available? Which part is false and requires a disclaimer? And I ask this as someone who has personally used Macs exclusively on the client since 2003 and professionally since 2011. Owned nothing but iPhones since the original was released in 2007. 5 iPads in total. I'm no blind Apple hater.
    - droopyEyelids 3y ago

by Dig1t 3y ago

KETHERCORTEX 3y ago

> One thing to note is the quality of Apple’s storage is above and beyond anything else you can buy. Average good experience of other users doesn't make a guy having a failing SSD feel any better. The absence of easy repair/replacement just adds an insult to injury. > They do wear-leveling so the larger the drive you buy with your device the longer the device will last Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like a description of an average modern SSD. Heck, I was reading similar things about wear leveling regarding USB drives, like, a decade and a half ago.

droopyEyelids 3y ago
Where is the evidence of failing Mac SSDs? I think you're being overly creative in your interpretation of average, like you're imagining a bunch of people people that have it fail after a year of regular use and then others that have it fail after 30 to 'average it out' and mask a bad experience for many people.

ksec 3y ago

>all of the software is customized to extend the lifespan of the device It is widely known macOS paging out a lot more than Windows. On a multiTab Safari you could easily have 100GB write or higher per day. Kernel_Task lock up are extremely common on google search.

seec 3y ago
Thank god I'm not the only one to know that. Peoples keep talking about the awesome efficiency of Apple software but this happened to me and I trashed quite a few SSDs. Supposedly macOS is more efficient with the hardware but having built hackintoshs I know it is the reverse. Apple fanboys are so confident in their bullshit that it is hard to trust your own experience. For clarity I am still a macOS and Apple user. Not for long though, I won't buy new Apple hardware until they change their ways. Got the iPhone 12 mini and deeply regret it, even though the physical format is pretty nice.

ttfkam 3y ago

Watch the video I linked. Modern Macs are a single capacitor failure away from shorting 13v straight to those "amazing focus on quality" SSD chips. Either one of the two chips dies, you have a brick. No booting from external drive. Nothing. A brick. All because one capacitor fails. If it were just a matter of replacing a capacitor, I'd agree with you. But the wiring decisions from their "amazing focus" defaults to a 13v short to storage chips—all your files AND the BIOS up in a puff of literal smoke. And finally, Apple doesn't design and manufacture solid state storage devices. They contract out to other companies. Those other companies also sell NVMe storage devices with substantially similar chip designs. Don't believe the hype. A ten cent capacitor taking out a $3K laptop isn't "above and beyond"; it's penny pinching at the expense of reliability with no concessions made to either repairability or resilience.

droopyEyelids 3y ago
You guys who are rossmann-pilled should put that as a disclaimer in your comments.
- ttfkam 3y ago
  Guilt by association and/or ad hominem are weak sauce. What part was factually inaccurate? • That storage is soldered unlike the vast majority of laptops on the market, which use standard NVMe sticks? • That the BIOS is stored in those soldered SSD chips making a single point of failure? • That if even one of the chips fails, you lose all the data including the BIOS boot logic and brick the device? • That the board layout sends 13v down the rail directly to the aforementioned SSD chips on capacitor failure? • That they cannot be repaired anymore, even by experienced professionals? • That replacement parts that aren't severely compromised (unknown number of write cycles for SSD chips) simply aren't available? Which part is false and requires a disclaimer? And I ask this as someone who has personally used Macs exclusively on the client since 2003 and professionally since 2011. Owned nothing but iPhones since the original was released in 2007. 5 iPads in total. I'm no blind Apple hater.
  - droopyEyelids 3y ago