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Would it also be possible to get the thirst traps and booty models off my feed too? Just like I get some control over my ad preferences and tags, it'd be very h

Would it also be possible to get the thirst traps and booty models off my feed too? Just like I get some control over my ad preferences and tags, it'd be very handy to get some feed controls in place.

dmitrygr 3y ago
That would be $EXTRA. (sorry, EXTRA €)
ddoolin 3y ago
The algorithm just gives you more of what you asked for. :)
- yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
  Is this true? I'm under the impression that social media platforms can't tell the difference between looking at some content because you enjoyed it versus looking at some content because you don't like it and you're confused why it's being served to you.
  - emgeee 3y ago
    I imagine after enough times clicking on content out of confusion, preference become clear
  - runako 3y ago
    It doesn't matter because > The algorithm just gives you more of what you asked for. It doesn't matter whether you asked for more because you hate it or love it. The algorithm prioritizes identifying the content with which you will engage.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      No. "What you asked for" is a bold faced lie. By your account it shows you what you engaged with, even though you literally didn't ask for it. And even "engaged with" is bullshit. What the hell does "engage with" even mean? What you really should be saying is it gives you more of what you pause scrolling on. That is neither asking for something, nor "engaging".
- ufish235 3y ago
  It’s always funny to make a tongue-in-cheek joke about this, but asking for fewer thirst traps is still a legitimate request from people who click them.
  - bonton89 3y ago
    Imagine a gambling addict or an alcoholic asking to see fewer casino and booze ads and being told stop complaining because "the algorithm just shows you what you want"
- matsemann 3y ago
  No, it gives you what's trending for the categories you're into. I like biking. What kind of biking content does get the most likes and is therefore suggested on Instagram? Woman in tight clothes with unzipped tops. I'm into skiing, what kind of content do I get? Girls skiing in bikinis. I'm following some coaches for a sport I participate in, what kind of content do I get? Girls in yoga pants doing exercises at the gym. For every category, there will be someone doing a sexualized version of it. Those get lots of eyeballs and likes, and hence get boosted into suggestions for that category. And it's not like I get every post like that. But often enough that I no longer scroll in public for fear of what NSFW things will show up.
  - matsemann 3y ago
    But this reminded me of another thing once popping up in my feed: my own private pictures. I first got a bit shocked. Did I accidentally post these to Facebook?? But no, it was just a suggestion from Facebook, "share these photos". But I was on the bus, I didn't expect these photos to suddenly be on my screen for those around me to see (pictures of a medical condition). And it creeped me out that Facebook was looking through my phone's gallery when I'm not explicitly doing it to upload an image. I ended up blocking file access for Facebook. Which now makes it impossible for me to post pictures. Which in turn of course means I barely post anymore. Great thinking, PMs.
    - Ajedi32 3y ago
      I find it obnoxious that Facebook doesn't use the default system file picker (which doesn't require filesystem access permissions to use). With other apps I can easily select photos even if they aren't locally available on my device. With Facebook I need to manually download the files from Google Photos, paste them into a local device folder, and only then will they actually show up in Facebook's weird, poorly-designed photo picker UI. Not exactly the best user experience.
      - matsemann 3y ago
        Yeah, the same with Messenger. Want to send someone a photo from last year? Good luck scrolling through their clunky interface a thousand pictures back, vs just using the jump-to-month in my native gallery app.
- cowboy_henk 3y ago
  This feels a bit like saying that the opioid epidemic is due to drug users buying more. Sure, all of them made a decision at some point to start using. But that doesn't remove the responsibility of those pushing the product to at least allow users to say "please stop" and then actually stop.
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  not true, it gives you more of what you engaged with if you looked for a few seconds longer = engagement if you read the comments in disgust = engagement if you commented in disagreement, even to reply to another comment = engagement
- rchaud 3y ago
  That's BS. You haven’t seen their their algorithm and neither have I. Tech companies are far too quick to refer to their little opaque boxes as having supernatural powers to "show me what I want".
HyprMusic 3y ago
My Facebook is completely useless due to all the suggested posts that appear in my feed. They're all memes that are of no interest to me and they cover up any posts from the few friends that still use Facebook. Not being active on social media has meant a lot of old friends have drifted out of my life so I'm trying to force myself to be more active on it but sadly there are no enjoyable (or usable) platforms left.
- mikenew 3y ago
  Social media has effectively split in two directions, and the ends of the spectrum are Discord and TikTok. TikTok is almost purely algorithmic, stranger-generated content consumption with the novelty factor cranked to 11. Discord has no algorithmic curation, voting, etc, and is just people talking that you have to curate yourself. Facebook is trying to pivot in the TikTok direction. Problem is there are a lot of people who want to use it to connect with actual people (because that's kinda how it worked in the past), which is orthogonal to their mission of pumping the maximal possible amount of garbage into your brain.
  - jliptzin 3y ago
    I love discord. It is the only social media I regularly use. There seems to be a sentiment that pops up every now and again that it’s a shame that content in discord communities is getting “walled off” and inaccessible by google and others from the rest of the internet. That is a strange sentiment to me. Discord communities are private by design. If the server owners want public discourse, there are many options for that. Are these same people upset that there aren’t microphones at every table in restaurants so that those conversations aren’t “walled off” from anyone not in the restaurant? In fact I think scraping website content by third parties for their own indexing should be opt-in, not opt-out, it’s pretty obnoxious in my opinion that you can put up a website intended only for friends and family but then large entities all over the world crawl your content and broadcast it on their own platforms without your consent.
    - spencerflem 3y ago
rizky05 3y ago
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JLCarveth 3y ago
Then stop engaging with the content, and when it does show up use the "Not Interested" feature. You have control over the content you're shown.
- ryangs 3y ago
  This was effective for me around a decade ago. These days it feels like most algorithmic content generation sites don't care when you express negative interest in something.
- herbst 3y ago
  That's not true. My only Instagram engagement is blocking obvious scam content should I accidently open the app and it still shoes me nothing else but that.
  - JLCarveth 3y ago
    "my only engagement..." Of course instagram will show you the only content you engage with. Is that really surprising?
    - herbst 3y ago
      Does blocking content actually count as positive engagement? I am not sure that's a good Strategie
- lazycouchpotato 3y ago
  I'd be surprised if you found anyone agreeing with your statement. You absolutely do not have control over the content you're shown. Why would they give you that power? > YouTube’s ‘dislike’ and ‘not interested’ buttons barely work, study finds. > A Mozilla report found feedback buttons didn’t stop the majority of similar recommendations https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/20/23356434/youtube-dislike-not-interested-buttons-bad-recommendations-mozilla-report https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/20/23356434/youtube-dislike-...
  - 3y ago
ryangs 3y ago
Highly recommend the chrome extension Facebook Purity. It strips your feed of the nonsense you don't care about in a very configurable way.
- divbzero 3y ago
  Also recommend not visiting Facebook altogether. It strips your life of nonsense you don’t care about in a very pleasant way. Your true friends will still be there through messaging, phone, or in person.
  - strken 3y ago
    People say this shit all the time without considering that others might not use Facebook in the same way they do. Yeah, I could force my friends to call me every time they want to grab dinner, but that would be annoying for everyone involved and not respectful of how they want to communicate.
    - wepple 3y ago
      Nobody is forcing them to call you; if it’s too much effort they don’t have to include you. Sounds like they’re “forcing” you on to a platform and aren’t prepared to be friends with you if you’re not on it.
      - strken 3y ago
        That's absolutely not true. There are many inconveniences that I don't inflict on the people around me in order to make an obscure point which only tech nerds care about. That's not being "forced" to use Facebook, it's being considerate. I agree that it would be possible if I cared enough. I don't agree that refusing to use a glorified messaging app with an integrated calendar, just because it comes with a feed that some people get addicted to but none of us ever look at, is a good recommendation that will make life better for me and the people around me.
        3y ago

dmitrygr 3y ago

That would be $EXTRA. (sorry, EXTRA €)

ddoolin 3y ago

The algorithm just gives you more of what you asked for. :)

yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
Is this true? I'm under the impression that social media platforms can't tell the difference between looking at some content because you enjoyed it versus looking at some content because you don't like it and you're confused why it's being served to you.
- emgeee 3y ago
  I imagine after enough times clicking on content out of confusion, preference become clear
- runako 3y ago
  It doesn't matter because > The algorithm just gives you more of what you asked for. It doesn't matter whether you asked for more because you hate it or love it. The algorithm prioritizes identifying the content with which you will engage.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    No. "What you asked for" is a bold faced lie. By your account it shows you what you engaged with, even though you literally didn't ask for it. And even "engaged with" is bullshit. What the hell does "engage with" even mean? What you really should be saying is it gives you more of what you pause scrolling on. That is neither asking for something, nor "engaging".
ufish235 3y ago
It’s always funny to make a tongue-in-cheek joke about this, but asking for fewer thirst traps is still a legitimate request from people who click them.
- bonton89 3y ago
  Imagine a gambling addict or an alcoholic asking to see fewer casino and booze ads and being told stop complaining because "the algorithm just shows you what you want"
matsemann 3y ago
No, it gives you what's trending for the categories you're into. I like biking. What kind of biking content does get the most likes and is therefore suggested on Instagram? Woman in tight clothes with unzipped tops. I'm into skiing, what kind of content do I get? Girls skiing in bikinis. I'm following some coaches for a sport I participate in, what kind of content do I get? Girls in yoga pants doing exercises at the gym. For every category, there will be someone doing a sexualized version of it. Those get lots of eyeballs and likes, and hence get boosted into suggestions for that category. And it's not like I get every post like that. But often enough that I no longer scroll in public for fear of what NSFW things will show up.
- matsemann 3y ago
  But this reminded me of another thing once popping up in my feed: my own private pictures. I first got a bit shocked. Did I accidentally post these to Facebook?? But no, it was just a suggestion from Facebook, "share these photos". But I was on the bus, I didn't expect these photos to suddenly be on my screen for those around me to see (pictures of a medical condition). And it creeped me out that Facebook was looking through my phone's gallery when I'm not explicitly doing it to upload an image. I ended up blocking file access for Facebook. Which now makes it impossible for me to post pictures. Which in turn of course means I barely post anymore. Great thinking, PMs.
  - Ajedi32 3y ago
    I find it obnoxious that Facebook doesn't use the default system file picker (which doesn't require filesystem access permissions to use). With other apps I can easily select photos even if they aren't locally available on my device. With Facebook I need to manually download the files from Google Photos, paste them into a local device folder, and only then will they actually show up in Facebook's weird, poorly-designed photo picker UI. Not exactly the best user experience.
    - matsemann 3y ago
      Yeah, the same with Messenger. Want to send someone a photo from last year? Good luck scrolling through their clunky interface a thousand pictures back, vs just using the jump-to-month in my native gallery app.
cowboy_henk 3y ago
This feels a bit like saying that the opioid epidemic is due to drug users buying more. Sure, all of them made a decision at some point to start using. But that doesn't remove the responsibility of those pushing the product to at least allow users to say "please stop" and then actually stop.
yieldcrv 3y ago
not true, it gives you more of what you engaged with if you looked for a few seconds longer = engagement if you read the comments in disgust = engagement if you commented in disagreement, even to reply to another comment = engagement
rchaud 3y ago
That's BS. You haven’t seen their their algorithm and neither have I. Tech companies are far too quick to refer to their little opaque boxes as having supernatural powers to "show me what I want".

HyprMusic 3y ago

My Facebook is completely useless due to all the suggested posts that appear in my feed. They're all memes that are of no interest to me and they cover up any posts from the few friends that still use Facebook. Not being active on social media has meant a lot of old friends have drifted out of my life so I'm trying to force myself to be more active on it but sadly there are no enjoyable (or usable) platforms left.

mikenew 3y ago
Social media has effectively split in two directions, and the ends of the spectrum are Discord and TikTok. TikTok is almost purely algorithmic, stranger-generated content consumption with the novelty factor cranked to 11. Discord has no algorithmic curation, voting, etc, and is just people talking that you have to curate yourself. Facebook is trying to pivot in the TikTok direction. Problem is there are a lot of people who want to use it to connect with actual people (because that's kinda how it worked in the past), which is orthogonal to their mission of pumping the maximal possible amount of garbage into your brain.
- jliptzin 3y ago
  I love discord. It is the only social media I regularly use. There seems to be a sentiment that pops up every now and again that it’s a shame that content in discord communities is getting “walled off” and inaccessible by google and others from the rest of the internet. That is a strange sentiment to me. Discord communities are private by design. If the server owners want public discourse, there are many options for that. Are these same people upset that there aren’t microphones at every table in restaurants so that those conversations aren’t “walled off” from anyone not in the restaurant? In fact I think scraping website content by third parties for their own indexing should be opt-in, not opt-out, it’s pretty obnoxious in my opinion that you can put up a website intended only for friends and family but then large entities all over the world crawl your content and broadcast it on their own platforms without your consent.
  - spencerflem 3y ago

rizky05 3y ago

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JLCarveth 3y ago

Then stop engaging with the content, and when it does show up use the "Not Interested" feature. You have control over the content you're shown.

ryangs 3y ago
This was effective for me around a decade ago. These days it feels like most algorithmic content generation sites don't care when you express negative interest in something.
herbst 3y ago
That's not true. My only Instagram engagement is blocking obvious scam content should I accidently open the app and it still shoes me nothing else but that.
- JLCarveth 3y ago
  "my only engagement..." Of course instagram will show you the only content you engage with. Is that really surprising?
  - herbst 3y ago
    Does blocking content actually count as positive engagement? I am not sure that's a good Strategie
lazycouchpotato 3y ago
I'd be surprised if you found anyone agreeing with your statement. You absolutely do not have control over the content you're shown. Why would they give you that power? > YouTube’s ‘dislike’ and ‘not interested’ buttons barely work, study finds. > A Mozilla report found feedback buttons didn’t stop the majority of similar recommendations https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/20/23356434/youtube-dislike-not-interested-buttons-bad-recommendations-mozilla-report https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/20/23356434/youtube-dislike-...
- 3y ago

ryangs 3y ago

Highly recommend the chrome extension Facebook Purity. It strips your feed of the nonsense you don't care about in a very configurable way.

divbzero 3y ago
Also recommend not visiting Facebook altogether. It strips your life of nonsense you don’t care about in a very pleasant way. Your true friends will still be there through messaging, phone, or in person.
- strken 3y ago
  People say this shit all the time without considering that others might not use Facebook in the same way they do. Yeah, I could force my friends to call me every time they want to grab dinner, but that would be annoying for everyone involved and not respectful of how they want to communicate.
  - wepple 3y ago
    Nobody is forcing them to call you; if it’s too much effort they don’t have to include you. Sounds like they’re “forcing” you on to a platform and aren’t prepared to be friends with you if you’re not on it.
    - strken 3y ago
      That's absolutely not true. There are many inconveniences that I don't inflict on the people around me in order to make an obscure point which only tech nerds care about. That's not being "forced" to use Facebook, it's being considerate. I agree that it would be possible if I cared enough. I don't agree that refusing to use a glorified messaging app with an integrated calendar, just because it comes with a feed that some people get addicted to but none of us ever look at, is a good recommendation that will make life better for me and the people around me.
      - 3y ago